Class 175 to GWR

[windjabbers]

Just checking up on what happend yesteday. Did 010 go back to Ely? and what unit was sent down to Laria? Thanks David

 

[MickeyN]

175007 arrived this morning & 010 went back to Ely earlier this week.

 

[windjabbers]

175007 arrived this morning & 010 went back to Ely earlier this week.

Thanks so I make that: -

002/007/009/114 now at LA
001/003-006/010/011 & 101-113/115/116 At Ely
008 possible also at Ely or at Alstom

004/005/006/008/101/109 may still not be in their orginal formation

Arrival dates and order at LA

1. 002 - 27.11.24
2. 114 - 05.12.24
3. 009 - 27.01.25
4. 007 - 27.02.25

Corrections and updates welcome

David

 

[baza585]

I don’t think @irish_rail mentioned that these cab changes were an ASLEF requirement unless people are reading between the lines.

Given DfT attitude to spending money on the railway, I'd be surprised if this work is being done unless ASLEF are demanding it.

Except maybe the seat which is fair enough.

 

[Anonymous10]

Thanks so I make that: -

002/007/009/114 now at LA
001/003-006/010/011 & 101-113/115/116 At Ely
008 possible also at Ely or at Alstom

004/005/006/008/101/109 may still not be in their orginal formation

Arrival dates and order at LA

1. 002 - 26.22.24
2. 114 - 05.12.24
3. 009 - 27.01.25
4. 007 - 27.02.25

Corrections and updates welcome

David

I might suggest you edit the month for unit 002.

 

[Western 52]

Is it likely the cab alterations would be done at Laira? Or will the 4 units delivered have to be sent elsewhere?

 

[irish_rail]

Given DfT attitude to spending money on the railway, I'd be surprised if this work is being done unless ASLEF are demanding it.

Except maybe the seat which is fair enough.

Ironically the IET seats seem to be quite a point of failure in the IETs! It is not universally liked by drivers, personally I'm not convinced the seat needs changing, we already drive 150s which have an awful seat, but hey ho.

 

[Snow1964]

Is it likely the cab alterations would be done at Laira? Or will the 4 units delivered have to be sent elsewhere?

It is probably lot cheaper to send an engineer in a van, and put them up in a hotel, than to haul the trains elsewhere and subsequently back again.

The work required is of the form of unscrewing / unbolting items and disconnecting them, then reassembling replacements (possibly with adaptor plates, and extension cables) as opposed to job that needs to be in specialist workshop with cranes, lifts, and pits etc

 

[windjabbers]

I might suggest you edit the month for unit 002.

AH yes! Thanks

 

[craigybagel]

I think the point is that those same units were being driven by ASLEF drivers day in day out for around 20 years, and presumably were deemed to be comfortable enough places to spend many hours a day working.

But they weren't a step down in quality (at the time, they were the most comfortable units we had). For GWR drivers used to 800s and HSTs, which is what these will be replacing, it's a backwards step.

I don’t think @irish_rail mentioned that these cab changes were an ASLEF requirement unless people are reading between the lines.

True, but.....

Given DfT attitude to spending money on the railway, I'd be surprised if this work is being done unless ASLEF are demanding it.

Except maybe the seat which is fair enough.

.... It's really hard to see any other reason for it.

 

[tfw756rider]

Thanks so I make that: -

002/007/009/114 now at LA
001/003-006/010/011 & 101-113/115/116 At Ely
008 possible also at Ely or at Alstom

004/005/006/008/101/109 may still not be in their orginal formation

Arrival dates and order at LA

1. 002 - 26.12.24
2. 114 - 05.12.24
3. 009 - 27.01.25
4. 007 - 27.02.25

Corrections and updates welcome

David

Shouldn't 002 be 27.11.24, not 26.12.24?

 

[windjabbers]

Shouldn't 002 be 27.11.24, not 26.12.24?

Ah OK, 27.11 or 26.11 - I had 26.11 on my list. Thanks

 

[tfw756rider]

Ah OK, 27.11 or 26.11 - I had 26.11 on my list. Thanks

27th is what's coming up in search results, if going by when the unit was actually delivered rather than when the drag might've started?

 

[windjabbers]

27th is what's coming up in search results, if going by when the unit was actually delivered rather than when the drag might've started?

OK thanks. BW DC

 

[3973EXL]

175001/003 TnT by 37901/510 + Barriers

Realtime Trains | 7Q70 0309 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 04/03/2025

Real-time train running information for 7Q70 0309 departure from Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Wolverton Centre Sidings on 04/03/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Hattermick]

Currently viewable from Lidl car park in Wolverton.

 

[The_Train]

Currently viewable from Lidl car park in Wolverton.

What a great middle aisle bargain that would be

 

[BillStampy]

175001/003 TnT by 37901/510 + Barriers

Realtime Trains | 7Q70 0309 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 04/03/2025

Real-time train running information for 7Q70 0309 departure from Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Wolverton Centre Sidings on 04/03/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Assuming by default this is where they'll be refurbished...?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I am guessing they will emerge in GWR green?

 

[MasterPhillips]

Confirmed 26 units to begin entering service this year with roll-out completed by the end of next year. Will allow withdrawal of HSTs and other stock to move elsewhere.

 

[Class15]

Confirmed 26 units to begin entering service this year with roll-out completed by the end of next year. Will allow withdrawal of HSTs and other stock to move elsewhere.

Is that a typo for 27 or is one unit excluded?

 

[MasterPhillips]

Is that a typo for 27 or is one unit excluded?

According to the email received from the GWR it is 26.

 

[Class15]

According to the email received from the GWR it is 26.

Interesting thank you. Probably the damaged parts of 175008 and 175101 that are being dumped?

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Confirmed 26 units to begin entering service this year with roll-out completed by the end of next year. Will allow withdrawal of HSTs and other stock to move elsewhere.

Worst kept secret but glad it's out now. Penzance to Exceter, Barnstaple and Oakhampton routes.

 

[liamf656]

Worst kept secret but glad it's out now. Penzance to Exceter, Barnstaple and Oakhampton routes.

It was hardly a secret at all!!

 

[Snow1964]

Is that a typo for 27 or is one unit excluded?

Per the Cornwall and Devon news local sites that have obviously been sent more details, ten 2car and 16 3car units.

The local news sites (link is example) also saying can be connected to operate as 4, 5, 6car. (I presume someone has specifically told them about 4-6 cars)

GWR upgrading 26 trains to improve rail services in Cornwall and Devon

Great Western Railway will be replacing older diesel trains, which are more expensive and less environmentally friendly to run, with Class 175…

www.falmouthpacket.co.uk

I am guessing one unit will be a reform and the unused two vehicles will be parted out for spares

 

[Doctor Fegg]

So what's the cascade plan?

The press release (https://news.gwr.com/news/class-175...ailway-improve-reliability-across-the-network) says:

The 10 two-car trains and 16 three-car trains are expected to start to enter service in Devon and Cornwall later this year, with the entire fleet expected to be operational from the end of next year.

Able to be connected in four, five and six-car formations, the trains will operate predominantly on the line between Exeter St Davids and Penzance, as well as to Barnstaple and Okehampton.

The Class 175s will release trains to improve performance in other areas of the network.

HSTs gone of course, and 158s and 166s released for regional services around Bristol. Worcester/Gloucester to Bristol presumably goes back to 158s/166s from IETs. IETs still on Cardiff to Exeter though?

 

[ollyexe2808]

I find it interesting that the 175s will be used on the Exeter to Okehampton route. After all, whilst I hate the 150s, that route is not too bad with the journey time of 35-40 minutes. But I do see the logic in the sense that there are only two intermediate stops (Exeter Central and Crediton) so freeing up the 150s for other parts of the Devon Metro area makes sense.

 

[The exile]

I find it interesting that the 175s will be used on the Exeter to Okehampton route. After all, whilst I hate the 150s, that route is not too bad with the journey time of 35-40 minutes. But I do see the logic in the sense that there are only two intermediate stops (Exeter Central and Crediton) so freeing up the 150s for other parts of the Devon Metro area makes sense.

Presumably it’s the logical consequence of:
1) Deploy as many as possible
2) involve as few depots as possible (initially at least) to speed up training
and introduction
3) Exmouth -Paignton is a no-no for loading reasons

Not much else left for initial deployment.

 

[Anonymous10]

So what's the cascade plan?

The press release (https://news.gwr.com/news/class-175...ailway-improve-reliability-across-the-network) says:


HSTs gone of course, and 158s and 166s released for regional services around Bristol. Worcester/Gloucester to Bristol presumably goes back to 158s/166s from IETs. IETs still on Cardiff to Exeter though?

Release hst sets for disposal,
Release class 158s for Cardiff to Portsmouth - in turn releasing 16X's on this route for Bristol and Devon metro's.