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Class 33s on Portsmouth-Bristol-Cardiff-Crewe (1980s)

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The joy of this forum, it unlocks distant fond memories.

This thread, for example, has taken me back to my August 1988 All Line Rail Rover.- which involved a 33 (number long lost) from Temple Meads to Cardiff - head out all the way through Severn Tunnel and the Sulzer dislodged the soot! - then 37426 Cardiff to Crewe - head out for most of that run, too. 8-)

Rushing into the depths of the Severn Tunnel rocking and swaying in the front vestibule of tired blue and grey mk1, you reach the bottom and the driver opens it up to full power for climb out. Dusty seats, dim light bulbs, loco going flat out. If I close my eyes…
 
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I had relatives who lived in South Newton near Wilton. As a child we had our summer holidays there. From the bedroom window I could see the Salisbury-Westbury line with the 33s and Mk 1s going past. When older I used to get dropped off at Salisbury station to go spotting/bashing whilst my parents went off doing their own thing. Always waved going passed Aunties house. Sadly she’s no longer alive but now working over the line on occasion I still look out for her house and remember the sound of 33s going passed.
 

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I seem to remember that loco hauled trains were hastily reintroduced after the 155s suffered door problems………
Until the amazing spectacle of 12 car rakes of 156s appeared over the horizon in South Wales and instead Scotland got loco and coaches back for a while.

Nowadays 2/3 car DMUs seem to need top and tail 37s to transfer anywhere……
 

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Wasn't uncommon for Cardiff to Bristol to be a 47 or a 50, don't remember one making its way off towards Portsmouth though but I expect they did escape from time to time?
IIRC the 14:10 from Portsmouth was booked a 47 in the late 80s. Used to see it at Bath on my way home from school. The class were also booked on summer Saturday Bristol - Weymouth via Southampton Central services.
 

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IIRC the 14:10 from Portsmouth was booked a 47 in the late 80s. Used to see it at Bath on my way home from school. The class were also booked on summer Saturday Bristol - Weymouth via Southampton Central services.
Had a 31 on one of those. Anti-clockwise.
 

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I'm not sure if these records are relevant in any way?
Weds 11th August 1982 I joined 14.55 service from Westbury as far as Bristol TM with 33025 - I seem to recollect this was Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff service?
At Bristol TM, 33025 took the returning 16.14 service and I alighted at Salisbury.

If Portsmouth to Cardiff, would 33025 have come off the Cardiff train and another 33 taken it onward, whilst returning south from Bristol with the Portsmouth train?
 

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I was in the Wylye Valley a few days in April '88 and took a few pics, the nature of getting from location to location, train direction v position of the sun etc limited those pics I could get but the scenery there is marvellous (I think) so kept some of my shots. The only loco I seemed to have photo'd twice on same day which was heading West on my first meet with it, was 33115 with 10.10 Portsmouth Harbour to Swansea. This loco I caught on its return East bound working, 1305 Cardiff to Portsmouth, so this will have involved a loco change at Temple Meads. I don't have the TT for that year, but from my notes the locos noted were turn over swaps at the Portsmouth end, which was the norm at that end of the line I believe (from memory!).
I bet there were various reasons TC sets weren't seen much
They were all needed on domestic (SR) services, mostly Waterloo-Weymouth/Bournemouth with a handful of Waterloo-Salisbury turns. On Sundays there was capacity to diagram them on the Reading-Pompey's. Should also be noted that being (driver wise) effectively an EMU in control terms and the need for 33/1s to operate in PP mode, only Salisbury depot (AFAIR) had both traction and route (Salisbury to Bristol) knowledge. Can't remember if Fratton depot also knew both, but very limiting numbers in service provision terms either way. Memory and passage of time does blur things...:rolleyes:

Here's 33115 near Hanging Langford with above 1305 Cardiff to Pompey.
 

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If a railtour I rode on once is any guide, the Broad-Gauge mob would have insisted on running round at the end.
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Any 33 trained driver could work a 33 & TC as conventional LHS, just beware of the way the brakes worked and don’t fan them! Not sure how it worked for guards.
 
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Wasn't uncommon for Cardiff to Bristol to be a 47 or a 50, don't remember one making its way off towards Portsmouth though but I expect they did escape from time to time?
Cardiff to Bristol had some variety towards the end of loco haulage. I remember and photographed classes 31, 33, 37, 45, 47 and 50 on those services. This was roughly 1985 to 1988.
 

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I commuted from first Westbury (September 1980 to early 1983) and then from Bristol Temple Meads (until 1988) to school in Bath, mostly on these workings and can confirm at least during those five years, the vast majority of the arriving locos at Bristol were re-engined with different loco for the Temple Meads to Cardiff leg, with class 33s almost universal on the Bristol to Portsmouth section and working a good 85 to 90% of the Bristol to Cardiff runs, though these were a little bit more likely to get a class 47/4 or later 37/4. Given that these were not air-conditioned trains, no heat 37s or 47s were very occasionally put out on the Cardiff legs in the summer, but it was the Bristol to Taunton loco hauled peak trains and the afternoon Bristol to Weymouth train that were more commonly where the interesting locos would appear, plus towards the end of the period increasingly assisting DMUs with out the correct number of working engines.

Class 205 DEMUs were a very occasional visitor, but I can't remember ever encountering 33/1s with 4TCs - even the 8 car sets of Southern Region air braked East Grinstead line Mark 1 commuter sets were more common, particularly at weekends, largely made up of TSOs where the Western Mark 1s tended to be SKs and CKs.

My top working on a to / from school journey was on 19th September 1983, when having not even seen the loco, I heard an engine sounding somewhat different to the normal class 33 and went to the front to see 25069 had taken my morning train, 1O65 0645 Cardiff - Portsmouth forward from Bristol to Portsmouth. I was too conscientious to skip school to go all the way down and back, and had to be content with getting off at Bath and seeing it from the School playing field that overlooked Bathampton Junction on the return working (the 1210 Portsmouth - Cardiff). Watching the trains was always an improvement on Rugby!
 
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My top working on a to / from school journey was on 19th September 1983, when having not even seen the loco, I heard an engine sounding somewhat different to the normal class 33 and went to the front to see 25069 had taken my morning train, 1O65 0645 Cardiff - Portsmouth forward from Bristol to Portsmouth. I was too conscientious to skip school to go all the way down and back, and had to be content with getting off at Bath and seeing it from the School playing field that overlooked Bathampton Junction on the return working (the 1210 Portsmouth - Cardiff).
Now that is a winner!
 

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Class 205 DEMUs were a very occasional visitor, but I can't remember ever encountering 33/1s with 4TCs - even the 8 car sets of Southern Region air braked East Grinstead line Mark 1 commuter sets were more common,
33/1 + TC had a final fling on the (SO?) loco-hauled Weymouths in summer 1989 - with demus briefly returning on 1 or 2 stoppers into Bristol in either 1990 or 1991.
 

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33/1 + TC had a final fling on the (SO?) loco-hauled Weymouths in summer 1989 - with demus briefly returning on 1 or 2 stoppers into Bristol in either 1990 or 1991.
I can remember sprinters (155s) being introduced just before I went to University, and DEMUs did appear when they had door issues (I remember a trip on one from Salisbury to Cardiff. There was a brief period when TCs were still in service, but had been largely freed up from Bournemouth to Weymouth workings, but this was really just after my time commuting Bath to Bristol and I wasn't around to see any diagrammed work for them on Weymouth trains the next year, but I did gat to ride on a few interesting workings including a number of Waterloo to Bournemouth trains with Class 33/1 and 2 x 4TC throughout!

Now that is a winner!
Sadly just the once!
 

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From 86-88 I had holidays down in Weymouth and had a week's bashing around Salisbury and Southampton, great days and great memories. I documented them on my website if anyone's interested.
Kev
 

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even the 8 car sets of Southern Region air braked East Grinstead line Mark 1 commuter sets were more common, particularly at weekends, largely made up of TSOs where the Western Mark 1s tended to be SKs and CKs.
I can remember, in the mid 1980s, walking my friend's dogs along the path next where Ashley Down station is now, and seeing 33s ascending the bank hauling sets of rather tired looking blue and grey Mark 1s with small NSE flashes
 

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I can remember, in the mid 1980s, walking my friend's dogs along the path next where Ashley Down station is now, and seeing 33s ascending the bank hauling sets of rather tired looking blue and grey Mark 1s with small NSE flashes
Yes, I well remember them too. Usually 5 coaches with 3 SKs, a BSK and a CK. Sometimes extras coaches in summer but still a single 33. There was some double heading though.
 

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In the early 80s I spent just short of a year doing a weekly commute from Bristol to Cowes which meant Temple Meads to Soton for the ferry.
A pleasant dawdle through rural England.
Quite a few of the MK1s were reupholstered during that period and had the armrests in the compartment stock sewn closed. It wasn't long before the stitches were cut and the armrests put back into use.
I guess I wasn't the only one with a knife in my toolkit
 

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Yes, I well remember them too. Usually 5 coaches with 3 SKs, a BSK and a CK. Sometimes extras coaches in summer but still a single 33. There was some double heading though.
Think, in latter years, they used a mk2 BFK?
Do remember having 33047 (sure it was that one) paired with another 33 from Westbury. Sure 33047 had a no heat restriction on it at the time, others may know more? Was around May 1987.
 

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In the early 80s I spent just short of a year doing a weekly commute from Bristol to Cowes which meant Temple Meads to Soton for the ferry.
A pleasant dawdle through rural England.
Quite a few of the MK1s were reupholstered during that period and had the armrests in the compartment stock sewn closed. It wasn't long before the stitches were cut and the armrests put back into use.
I guess I wasn't the only one with a knife in my toolkit
Didn’t the WR (as well as the SR) regard compartments as being 4-a-side, rather than 3, which didn’t work with the armrests?
 

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In the early 80s I spent just short of a year doing a weekly commute from Bristol to Cowes which meant Temple Meads to Soton for the ferry.
A pleasant dawdle through rural England.
Quite a few of the MK1s were reupholstered during that period and had the armrests in the compartment stock sewn closed. It wasn't long before the stitches were cut and the armrests put back into use.
I guess I wasn't the only one with a knife in my toolkit

I’m really quite disappointed that I didn’t realise you could take the stitching off…
 

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33/1 + TC had a final fling on the (SO?) loco-hauled Weymouths in summer 1989 - with demus briefly returning on 1 or 2 stoppers into Bristol in either 1990 or 1991.

I vaguely remember the latter. I didn't travel northwest of Southampton on the line until 1990, but I do remember that for a while post Solent electrification the stoppers on the Southampton-Salisbury-Westbury axis were very irregularly timed and operated with a real mix of stock, including an SR DEMU on one service. Possibly a first-gen WR DMU on another.

It was only later (by 1993, not sure of exact date) when 150s took over all the stoppers.

I'm not sure if these records are relevant in any way?
Weds 11th August 1982 I joined 14.55 service from Westbury as far as Bristol TM with 33025 - I seem to recollect this was Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff service?
At Bristol TM, 33025 took the returning 16.14 service and I alighted at Salisbury.

If Portsmouth to Cardiff, would 33025 have come off the Cardiff train and another 33 taken it onward, whilst returning south from Bristol with the Portsmouth train?
A look at the 1982 timetable (on Timetable World) suggests the 1455 was the 1310 Portsmouth-Bristol TM due 1537.
The 1614 return service was also a Bristol originator so looks like the loco ran round and the same loco and stock returned.

Not all services went on to Cardiff in 1982: from Portsmouth was 0910, 1210, 1410 [Swansea] and 1610 and from Bristol it was the 0805, 1314, 1714 and 1915 originating from Cardiff. There were however some other services which ran Bristol to Cardiff only and were marked as first and second class, so presumably they were operated from the same hauled pool? (don't think Bristol or Cardiff had any 1st-class DMUs at the time, might be wrong though).

Were there any interworkings at Cardiff with Crewe services? i.e. same 33+stock came in from Portsmouth then did a Crewe or v.v ?
 
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Were there any interworkings at Cardiff with Crewe services? i.e. same 33+stock came in from Portsmouth then did a Crewe or v.v ?
Certainly the locos interworked, and a quick image search suggests the same 5-sets were used.
 

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Were there any interworkings at Cardiff with Crewe services? i.e. same 33+stock came in from Portsmouth then did a Crewe or v.v ?
The Cardiff-Crewe service switched from class 25s to class 33s in June 1981.

As far as I can tell there was a swap each day with a class 33 working 1010 Weymouth-Cardiff forward from Bristol then 1710 Cardiff-Crewe, while the class 33 off 1222 Crewe-Cardiff started its journey home by working 1720 Cardiff-Weymouth as far as Bristol.
 

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