Class 387

[adc82140]

At the risk of slightly crossing over into the territory of the "Class 700" thread, I presume the 387/2s will be the first units to be cascaded away from TL once the 700s start to enter service?

 

[Class377/5]

Just an update please?

They've been there a week. Not sure that requires an update. Currently there is fitter training ongoing, meaning constant progress.

At the risk of slightly crossing over into the territory of the "Class 700" thread, I presume the 387/2s will be the first units to be cascaded away from TL once the 700s start to enter service?

The 6x 387/2 wI'll be leaving in a few months. Not sure if they will be the first to go just yet but certainly in the initial release.

 

[Rick1984]

Why do the Gatwick Express units have a pantograph? Is it to allow them to cover for Thameslink units if needed?

 

[Class377/5]

Why do the Gatwick Express units have a pantograph? Is it to allow them to cover for Thameslink units if needed?

Because the order for the 387/1 was only half the deal made between Southern and Bombardier. As a result the remain _nits when ordered were all DV. There is also the issue of possible wiring within the life time of the 387/2 fleet so the ROSCO was happy to have pans included. Especially if they are every moved (just look at what has happened in recent times to GatEx stock).

Transferring from GatEx to Thameslink takes a few days for the units software to be changed meaning they cannot switch so easily.

 

[Domh245]

They are to replace the 3x 387/1 which have already gone over.

The 6x 387/2 wI'll be leaving in a few months. Not sure if they will be the first to go just yet but certainly in the initial release.

So if I am reading this right, there were 3 387/2s that were brought over to cover for modifications to the 387/1 fleet, and then another 3 to cover for 3 387/1s which have moved to GN already?

 

[Class377/5]

So if I am reading this right, there were 3 387/2s that were brought over to cover for modifications to the 387/1 fleet, and then another 3 to cover for 3 387/1s which have moved to GN already?

Correct.

 

[physics34]

Correct.

how long is this for? I guess it gives the 442s a bit of a respite on the GatExs for a while.

 

[Class377/5]

how long is this for? I guess it gives the 442s a bit of a respite on the GatExs for a while.

A matter of weeks.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

387 227, the last one for Gatwick, was at Wembley this morning along with another one which I couldn't get because something bowled me!

 

[N228PF]

Have any 387s entered service on Great Northern?

 

[Skimble19]

Have any 387s entered service on Great Northern?

No, they're purely over here for training / familiarisation / various tests (such as dispatch) at the moment. Not sure when the first one is planned to enter service, although I wouldn't imagine it'll be for a while yet.

 

[RobShipway]

I am presuming that the first class 387/3 will get passed in the next few weeks to GWR, so that they can do training for the Paddington - Hayes and Harlington services in September?

 

[Class377/5]

I am presuming that the first class 387/3 will get passed in the next few weeks to GWR, so that they can do training for the Paddington - Hayes and Harlington services in September?

As previously posted, 5th September is the date or fit 387 workings on the GW.

 

[Domh245]

As previously posted, 5th September is the date or fit 387 workings on the GW.

I assume that is passenger workings? If so, you'd expect there to be some runs before hand for driver training.

 

[RobShipway]

I assume that is passenger workings? If so, you'd expect there to be some runs before hand for driver training.

Which is what I was asking about in my previous post!!!

 

[JN114]

There are some dates rumbling around internally, won't be for a few weeks yet though.

 

[Class377/5]

I assume that is passenger workings? If so, you'd expect there to be some runs before hand for driver training.

5th September is the official in passenger service date.

https://www.gwr.com/about-us/media-...y-to-benefit-from-a-brand-new-fleet-of-trains

Friday 24th June 2016

Rail passengers in the London and Thames Valley will start to benefit from a brand new fleet of trains as early as September, as part of Great Western Railway’s commitment to delivering more capacity and faster, more frequent services for customers

GWR has finalised a multi-million pound deal with train manufacturer Bombardier and leasing company Porterbrook for 37 Class 387 four-carriage trains, joining eight already ordered by GWR, and will replace its current fleet of Turbo trains.

The trains will deliver consistent, high quality travel for customers across the Thames Valley, offering at-seat power sockets, air conditioning, extra luggage space and free wifi for customers.

They can be run in four-, eight- and 12-carriage formations, with the latter providing 97 more seats per train than the longest Turbo today.

The move is part of the biggest fleet upgrade in a generation on the Great Western network, helping to drive improved journey times, increased capacity and greater comfort.

The first of the Class 387 – or GWR Electrostar – trains will be introduced on the new Hayes & Harlington – London Paddington service on September 5, and provide an additional 1,400 additional seats at the busiest times every day for commuters.

Great Western Railway managing director, Mark Hopwood said: “The Thames Valley is one of the most popular rail corridors in the UK. We’d already promised the current fleet would be upgraded to provide much needed additional capacity and faster journey times, but this deal goes even further offering the comfort of what will be most up-to-date commuter fleet on the UK rail network.”

Rail Minister Claire Perry said: “These new trains will deliver better journeys to passengers who will benefit from the extra space and comfort on some of the busiest routes in the country.

“Projects like this show how our record investment in the railways is making a real difference to commuters and leisure travellers, as well as stimulating economic growth across the Thames Valley and beyond.”

Bombardier Transportation UK’s Managing Director, Richard Hunter said: “Bombardier is proud to support the Department for Transport and GWR in providing the increase in capacity required for passenger growth by delivering further units of its leading class ELECTROSTAR product.”

Porterbrook’s Commercial Director, Olivier André said: “Porterbrook would like to thank GWR for their confidence in its ability to deliver once again the introduction of a new fleet in partnership with Bombardier Transportation.

“With this investment, Porterbrook demonstrates its support to the aspirations of the rail industry and the Department for Transport to alleviate the capacity pinch points in the network and provide Britain with a sustainable, world-class transport system.”

However Bombardier is yet to start commissioning the fleet first, rumoured to be on Thameslink route so properly the same as the 387/1 and /2 fleets with focus on AC testing.

 

[Harbon 1]

Oversaw our system with the build now known as "Porterbrook 3873"

My friends on the assembly line keep asking why they're white now, so I assume the first C2C carriages are being put together. No numbers on the GWR units on test that I can see.
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Update: 387131 in mint sauce green is the first I've seen with numbers applied. Not sure if that was the same unit as was on the test track yestercay

 

[jon0844]

Saw this 387/2 at Bedford today, and if first class is considered pathetic inside - what nonsense is this on the outside to show where first class is?!

One wonky little 1st in the window near the cab?!

 

[Class377/5]

The 387/2 are a very temporary solution. Looks like one of the newer 387/2 which are supposed to only be borrowed for a matter of weeks (so short I may miss two of them in TL service). As such first class markings are a little less than normal. However that does appear to be missing some stickers. As it's a Bombardier product, maybe they fell off?

 

[jon0844]

However that does appear to be missing some stickers. As it's a Bombardier product, maybe they fell off?

Yes, that's a good point!

 

[leomartin125]

Read via an online source: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/main-line/great-western-launches-hitachi-class-800-fleet.html?channel=

"The first class 387 Electrostar EMUs for GWR Thames Valley services are also undergoing dynamic tests at Bombardier's plant in Derby. The first of these trains will be delivered to Bletchley depot within the next few weeks for shakedown runs on the West Coast Main Line. The class 387s will enter service with GWR on London Paddington - Hayes & Harlington suburban services later this year and will extend their range as more sections of electrification are completed."

Meaning in the next few weeks, the first GWR 387 should emerge at Bletchley depot and commence testing alike the GX 387's did presumably along the same route and/or paths.

 

[swt_passenger]

Read via an online source: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/main-line/great-western-launches-hitachi-class-800-fleet.html?channel=

"The first class 387 Electrostar EMUs for GWR Thames Valley services are also undergoing dynamic tests at Bombardier's plant in Derby. The first of these trains will be delivered to Bletchley depot within the next few weeks for shakedown runs on the West Coast Main Line. The class 387s will enter service with GWR on London Paddington - Hayes & Harlington suburban services later this year and will extend their range as more sections of electrification are completed."

Meaning in the next few weeks, the first GWR 387 should emerge at Bletchley depot and commence testing alike the GX 387's did presumably along the same route and/or paths.

Nothing we don't know already from reading this thread though...

 

[Mordac]

I thought the c2c ones would be coming first!

 

[Harbon 1]

I thought the c2c ones would be coming first!

The GWR ones are the ones from the original order, C2C next, then a long run of GWR afterwards I assume.

 

[Mordac]

The GWR ones are the ones from the original order, C2C next, then a long run of GWR afterwards I assume.

Ah, thanks, that makes sense!

 

[Techniquest]

I've been away from this thread for some weeks, and now my head is spinning trying to figure out what is happening where and when!

Shame 365s won't be coming to the GWML after all. Like with the originally proposed 319s (doesn't that proposal feel like a long time ago?!) I was looking forward to the noise factor from the motors

So 387/1s will potentially be going to Great Northern vice 377/5s? Interesting. 317s and 321s with GN currently to be re-homed by the end of the year? Also interesting. 50,000,000 more 387s (I swear they're getting as bad as the 66s for never stopping their arrivals...) coming and set to join the GWML? Could make for a very different Paddington!

All in all, from everything I've read on the last several pages, there's some big changes coming up, and I need to get myself down to London sharpish!

 

[jon0844]

50,000,000 more 387s

And to think Bombardier were moaning about a lack of orders a while ago.

 

[physics34]

So 387/1s will potentially be going to Great Northern vice 377/5s? Interesting. 317s and 321s with GN currently to be re-homed by the end of the year?

Not potentially, definitely

A couple of 387/1s at GN now for training.

 

[jon0844]

Not potentially, definitely

A couple of 387/1s at GN now for training.

It was pretty crowded at Hornsey yesterday. 3 or 4 700s, I think two 387s, a 319 and the usual trains.

I hope GTR can one day make sure it has drivers for all of them, unless the plan is just to keep them in the sidings and pack all passengers on the one running 3-car 313 left in service...