Class 387

[Class377/5]

I noticed at Blackfriars that some class 387/2 where being used still with class 387/1's. I presume that this will still be the case until the full fleet of class 700's have been introduced?

"class 377/5" knows more but the 319s will be the last to go i believe (on the Wimbledon loop). 387/1s will be needed by GN from the autumn and gatwick will need all their 387/2s soon, so the 387s will be gone before ALL the 700s are delivered.

The GatEx 387/2 loan to Thameslink is almost up. First 4 return early August with final two in September I believe.

The cascade is complex and last dates are not completely set as I understand it. However the 387/1 and 377 both have new homes to go to in the next few months so would make sense the 319s will be the last to go. This is especially important as the are SE drivers working Thameslink services that don't sign 377s. Thier training will jump from 319s to 700s. And that's already started its early phases.

 

[cactustwirly]

Saw 387130 & 131 at different locations in North Pole today

 

[317 forever]

Some photos and a video from today's visit to Paddington to check out this new GWR 387:

Photo 1: http://flic.kr/p/JHGG7W

Photo 2: http://flic.kr/p/KuMNJm

Photo 3: http://flic.kr/p/KxgT3H

Photo 4: https://flic.kr/p/KuMN9d

Video: http://youtu.be/hYHqvQEi21I

Leo

Thank you for these photos Leo. My bright hope is that some will run on Saturdays when the new Paddington - Hayes & Harlington service starts in September!

 

[43074]

Thank you for these photos Leo. My bright hope is that some will run on Saturdays when the new Paddington - Hayes & Harlington service starts in September!

I understand the Paddington to Hayes services operate Monday to Friday only, to provide more capacity on the suburban side, but capacity is less of an issue on Saturdays, so they won't run.

 

[jopsuk]

a challenge for photogs: try to get a picture of (blue) HST next to a Turbo that you can later exactly replicate with a 387 and 80x.

Bonus points if you can find an old photo from before the HSTs at roughly the same angle

 

[317 forever]

I understand the Paddington to Hayes services operate Monday to Friday only, to provide more capacity on the suburban side, but capacity is less of an issue on Saturdays, so they won't run.

I doubted they would yet but thank you for preparing me. Maybe some will run eventually such as when CrossRail starts. Seems a bit of a waste to have brand new trains used so little.

 

[Class377/5]

I doubted they would yet but thank you for preparing me. Maybe some will run eventually such as when CrossRail starts. Seems a bit of a waste to have brand new trains used so little.

Initially they are doing to be doing a peak only service of 8 car trains with just four units. Things on last like that for long, especially with 8 units expected before the timetable change.

But right now driver training is serious challenge with so few units.

 

[swt_passenger]

I doubted they would yet but thank you for preparing me. Maybe some will run eventually such as when CrossRail starts. Seems a bit of a waste to have brand new trains used so little.

When Crossrail takes over with its 4tph in place of Heathrow Connect, using its dedicated Class 345 stock, this temporary GWR Hayes & Harlington all stations service will finish. You won't get both services operating at the same time.

 

[leomartin125]

When Crossrail takes over with its 4tph in place of Heathrow Connect, using its dedicated Class 345 stock, this temporary GWR Hayes & Harlington all stations service will finish. You won't get both services operating at the same time.

May I ask what is due to happen to the HC Class 360 units once Crossrail starts to Heathrow? I was in some way expecting them to cascade to GWR, seemed like a good use of then spare electric multiple units on a newly electrified line...

 

[JN114]

May I ask what is due to happen to the HC Class 360 units once Crossrail starts to Heathrow? I was in some way expecting them to cascade to GWR, seemed like a good use of then spare electric multiple units on a newly electrified line...

Nobody knows, it's likely yet to be decided and not really pertinent to a discussion regarding Class 387s - IIRC there was a "future of..." Thread for them posted in the not too distant past - plenty of rumour and speculation in there to froth over in there.

 

[swt_passenger]

May I ask what is due to happen to the HC Class 360 units once Crossrail starts to Heathrow? I was in some way expecting them to cascade to GWR, seemed like a good use of then spare electric multiple units on a newly electrified line...

No one knows for sure where the 360s will go, but it is highly unlikely they'd stay with GWR. A five unit 'micro fleet' completely incompatible with 387s is not much use to anyone other than the other 360 operator, GA. However this is yet another regularly repeated topic that probably doesn't justify another airing...

 

[Techniquest]

I've been away from this thread for a long time, so apologies if it's been asked recently. A quick look revealed no suitable answer.

Is it known when the GWR 387s are due to start in passenger operation? I'm assuming it's not for a while yet.

 

[JN114]

I've been away from this thread for a long time, so apologies if it's been asked recently. A quick look revealed no suitable answer.

Is it known when the GWR 387s are due to start in passenger operation? I'm assuming it's not for a while yet.

Early September - I do know the exact date but unsure if its for public consumption yet.

 

[Techniquest]

Ah cool, so I might well be safe looking for them if I do pop into London on my week off in mid-October. Excellent stuff, many thanks for the swift reply!

 

[trainmania100]

Stopped outside black friars on a red earlier on 1W18 in a red signal queue once we got the green light the 3872 couldn't get any power...i can only assume the train happened to stop where there was a break in the juice rail? The driver rolled back the 8 car a few inches every few moments and after about 12 minutes we were finally on the move.

 

[SWT_USER]

I look forward to seeing them speed through Hanwell without stopping as GWR continue to not provide more than a train a day

Nice looking units though - I assume they will stable at North Pole until the wires to Reading are up / it's needed for IEP?

 

[RobShipway]

I look forward to seeing them speed through Hanwell without stopping as GWR continue to not provide more than a train a day

Nice looking units though - I assume they will stable at North Pole until the wires to Reading are up / it's needed for IEP?

They will more likely be stabled at Old Oak Common alongside the class 360 & class 332 trains.

North Pole, is a Hitachi site.

 

[trainmania100]

Saw a Thameslink 3871 today at kings cross 4 car unit
Think it was driver training

 

[swt_passenger]

They will more likely be stabled at Old Oak Common alongside the class 360 & class 332 trains.

North Pole, is a Hitachi site.

If you read a few pages of the thread instead of guessing, you'd already know that the 387s definitely are stabled at North Pole, and run from and back to North Pole for their overnight test runs. They were also delivered to North Pole directly from Bletchley.

The intention to base them at North Pole initially has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread already.

Here's another delivery path to North Pole IEP depot in the system for tonight:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02230/2016/08/08/advanced

 

[leomartin125]

Talking of North Pole and Bletchley, there is a movement of barrier waggons headed for Bletchley as I write this post:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02231/2016/08/08/advanced

Ahead of the second GWR 387 delivery, with 387132 & 387133 being the star units, running to North Pole IEP Depot tonight:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02230/2016/08/08/advanced

Looks like 37884 and 37800 are both preoccupied tonight, and the delivery will be made using barrier waggons and presumably a shed. Look forward to seeing how this gets from Acton Wells Jct to North Pole IEP Depot

 

[swt_passenger]

I've been watching the delivery path crop up and then get cancelled a few times so far; it has been activated for tonight as of 1811.

I wonder if perhaps the units have been ready, but there's been nothing available to haul them?

 

[leomartin125]

I've been watching the delivery path crop up and then get cancelled a few times so far; it has been activated for tonight as of 1811.

I wonder if perhaps the units have been ready, but there's been nothing available to haul them?

Although Rail Operations Group have the contract to haul the 387's to North Pole on delivery, they have remedial operations in place in the event that such loco is not available when required. I wouldn't have thought tonight's move to be cancelled due to the lack of any available 37 or 47 from ROG, it will most likely get delivered by Freightliner, which would explain the barrier waggon move that has now arrived.

 

[JN114]

GWR 387s are officially based at Reading TCD, and outstabled at North Pole. They will be dragged by a Dellner-fitted Class 57 to/from Reading as required for exams etc once necessary training/paperwork for drags are done and signed off.

The arrangement at North Pole is very much temporary, some more appropriate stabling off of Hitachi premises is being worked on and should be available in the new year.

 

[leomartin125]

GWR 387s are officially based at Reading TCD, and outstabled at North Pole. They will be dragged by a Dellner-fitted Class 57 to/from Reading as required for exams etc once necessary training/paperwork for drags are done and signed off.

The arrangement at North Pole is very much temporary, some more appropriate stabling off of Hitachi premises is being worked on and should be available in the new year.

May I just add that NR are building something at West Ealing next to the Plasser sidings, apparently maybe something GWR related, so could be a small maintenance shed there too. If anyone knows, please enlighten me/us.

Also the delivery of 387132 and 387133 will go ahead as planned, the consist being:

66+BarrierCoaches+387132+387133+BarrierCoaches

This is to allow reversing at both Southall T.C. and Ladbroke Grove. Path is on diagrams and is running as required.

 

[RobShipway]

May I just add that NR are building something at West Ealing next to the Plasser sidings, apparently maybe something GWR related, so could be a small maintenance shed there too. If anyone knows, please enlighten me/us.

Also the delivery of 387132 and 387133 will go ahead as planned, the consist being:

66+BarrierCoaches+387132+387133+BarrierCoaches

This is to allow reversing at both Southall T.C. and Ladbroke Grove. Path is on diagrams and is running as required.

Is the building being built at West Ealing going to replace the GWR/Heathrow Express depot at Old Oak Common possibly, so that OOC can be knocked down for HS2 to be built?

 

[D365]

Is the building being built at West Ealing going to replace the GWR/Heathrow Express depot at Old Oak Common possibly, so that OOC can be knocked down for HS2 to be built?

No, that site has been specifically discounted. Either way, it's not relevant to the 387 discussion as they were never going to be located at OOC.

 

[RobShipway]

No, that site has been specifically discounted. Either way, it's not relevant to the 387 discussion as they were never going to be located at OOC.

Strange as that is not what GWR tell me, as I am told by them that the class 387's will be based out of both Reading and OOC or any replacement depot for OOC as when HS2 will be built which could include West Ealing if that is going to be the replacement for OOC and be used by GWR, what else would be stabled in this depot?

 

[D365]

Is the GWR portion of OOC even wired?

 

[RobShipway]

Is the GWR portion of OOC even wired?

I know that Wikipedia is not always correct, but reading through the details of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Oak_Common_TMD to me it sees to suggest that the there is electrification in around the OOC GWR/FGW depot.

Also, as it states in the photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_O..._Common_Sidings_-_geograph.org.uk_-_22039.jpg, the GWR depot is to the right.

This photo http://walesrails.smugmug.com/keyword/old oak common tmd;class 57/i-cTKRVJr/A, seems to show wires being available, unless they are from the GWML?

 

[FGW_DID]

Strange as that is not what GWR tell me, as I am told by them that the class 387's will be based out of both Reading and OOC or any replacement depot for OOC as when HS2 will be built which could include West Ealing if that is going to be the replacement for OOC and be used by GWR, what else would be stabled in this depot?

To reiterate what JN114 has already posted:

GWR 387s are allocated to Reading TCD but at the moment are temporarily out stabled at Hitachi's North Pole depot.

Once Reading TCD is fully energised, the 387 fleet will be based and maintained there.

There will be at least 2 other stabling points for the use of the 387 fleet, OOC ain't one of them.
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I know that Wikipedia is not always correct, but reading through the details of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Oak_Common_TMD to me it sees to suggest that the there is electrification in around the OOC GWR/FGW depot.

Also, as it states in the photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_O..._Common_Sidings_-_geograph.org.uk_-_22039.jpg, the GWR depot is to the right.

This photo http://walesrails.smugmug.com/keyword/old oak common tmd;class 57/i-cTKRVJr/A, seems to show wires being available, unless they are from the GWML?

You aren't wrong about Wikipedia being incorrect, it states that 165/166 units are allocated at OOC. All the 16x Turbo units are allocated to and based at Reading.