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Class 43 Scrappings?

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I was just wondering is there any plans in place for scrapping class 43s I'm not wishing them gone its just they have been around for quite a while. At the moment they all seem to be going strong.

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Well considering that nearly every single Power car has been utilised it would indicate that there are no plans to get rid of them just yet but I would imagine that would happen eventually.
 

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Only power cars that have been scrapped are the ones that were written off in the Southall, Ladbroke Grove and Ufton Nervet accidents, and one power car from the prototype HST.

There were rumours a few years ago that 43101 would be scrapped due to its condition, but that was it, a rumour, and is now in service as 43301.

The MTU re-engineering and the Class 57 conversion programmes (even though a 57 is to a 47 what an MTU 43 is to a Valenta 43) shows what's possible when you're prepared to spend top dollar on old locos to make them viable to run for many years to come.
 

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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" springs to mind, HST's are pretty damn reliable considering the mileage they have covered in what just over 30 years now, even if they have been re-engined. Theres plenty of life left in them yet, why scrap them?
 

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I can't see them being scrapped any time soon as there is simply no need, and when they are deemed useless on our metals I think they will probably be exported to another eu country - similar to the 57's going to Bulgaria. Incedently, I think only 3 43's have been scrapped due to accidents.
 

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The only ones that have been scrapped are 43011 (ladbroke grove), 43019 (Upton Nervet) and 43173 (southall) these all being because of crashes.
 

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Disability regulations and rules on flushing toilets onto the track will eventually catch up with the HST but not yet!
 

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Disability regulations and rules on flushing toilets onto the track will eventually catch up with the HST but not yet!

I'm far from an expert, but wouldn't all those be issues with the carriages rather than the things pulling them?
 

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I'd say so, yes.

33 years and still going strong the class is. Long may that continue. I find it bizarre that someone is wondering when the withdrawals will begin simply because they've been around for a while!

theblackwatch: Clever that be. Surprised some people have been caught out by that post of yours! :lol:
 

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No, the last one scrapped was at Sims Metals, Beeston in July 2005 anfter the Upton Nervet crash.

:lol:

Suggest you check one of the loco disposal books, with the exception of one, they were all scrapped at Swindon between 1970 and 1972! :)
 

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It's 87s going to Bulgaria, not 57s :p

Yeah I know, I have discussed it in previous posts, i never proof read my posts before sending them - and cant be bothered to edit it,

I'm sure you know what i mean anyway....
 

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The HST InterCity 125s are becoming more and more like the Routemaster, being synonymous with quality and reliability rather than their age. Long may it last :)!

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that they might receive new coaches before their time is finally up?

Either way, it'll be a sad day when they finally leave regular service, just as it was for the Routemasters in London.
 

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The HST InterCity 125s are becoming more and more like the Routemaster, being synonymous with quality and reliability rather than their age. Long may it last :)!

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that they might receive new coaches before their time is finally up?

I can't see them ever getting 'new coaches' as integrally, the mk3s are as sound as the '43s'.
It would cost a hell of a lot to do (and rather unlikely), but I would imagine it'd be possible to convert them to have plug doors (as their Irish counterparts do) and toilet retention tanks- making them a little bit more suited to 'modern tastes'.

Either way, it'll be a sad day when they finally leave regular service, just as it was for the Routemasters in London.

I wonder if they'll ever start making HST shaped postcards for the American and Japanese tourists! And of course, when they do finish, will they run 'Heritage Route' HSTs along bits of the mainlines that are popular with London-based tourist? ;)
 

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I find it bizarre that someone is wondering when the withdrawals will begin simply because they've been around for a while!

I don't see why that's so surprising when you consider how often the same argument is used to justify the withdrawal and scrapping of other classes still being fully utilised. Or is it just because we're talking about the Great God "HST"...?

Incidentally, theblackwatch is entirely correct. In fact, on a point of pedantry, there have been no Cl43's since the last of the Warships went for razor blades. The 43XXX number range used on HST power cars is a coach number range. These are not locos but Driving Motor Brake coaches for a diesel-electric unit.

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I wonder if they'll ever start making HST shaped postcards for the American and Japanese tourists! And of course, when they do finish, will they run 'Heritage Route' HSTs along bits of the mainlines that are popular with London-based tourist? ;)
Probably, but it'd have to be of completely novelty use - Kings Cross to St. Pancras or something :P!
 

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HST have to be the best train and the most reliable
It also carries a kind of unique brand of elegance. It's design is far more simple than that of its DMU 'successors', but still there's just that something special about travelling on an HST.
 

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I suspect despite the disability regulations/toilet tank issues with the Mk IIIs, extensions will be granted until the HST2 is fully introduced, out of necessity. Of course it's possible that FGW (or their successors) will introduce new trains, depending on whether the GWML is electrified or not, but if not, I reckon it's doubtful given the investment put into the MTU programme and Mk III refurbs, and the fact that HST2 is on the horizon (just about!)

Mechanically, I reckon there is very little in the reengineered power cars which is actually "old"! Others will know more than me...

But would others agree it's fair to say the HST2 being in place is a pre-requisite for HST1 being withdrawn? If we use the development of the HST as a model for that of HST2, we get an idea of timelines for this to occur:

If you cast your mind back to the development of the HST, the idea was born in the late 1960s, the first prototype power cars authorised in 1970 and built by 1972. The first production HSTs entered service on the GWML in the second half of 1976 and production ceased only in 1982.

Obviously there are many differences between then and now; maybe the trail of red tape would be some years longer now, given the private contracting procedure, though on the other hand 125mph running is not a new phenomenon as it was then and won't require the same investment and testing.

That puts us at around the equivalent of 1968 or 1969 I reckon, the first prototype HST2 PCs don't seem likely to be built anytime in the next couple of years. By this "logic" the first HST2 won't be introduced in service until maybe 2015-16 at the earliest, and maybe 2020 before they've all been built. Obviously these dates are subjective.

So IMHO the HST won't even start to be withdrawn until well after 2015, let alone scrapped. Odd examples like displaced GC HSTs or XC HSTs would probably be re-engineered if required and absorbed into the EC or GW pools to bolster existing fleets.

My guess for the first scrapping would therefore be 10 years from now.

Any thoughts??
 

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I don't approve of HST scrappings as they are revolutionary - the fastest diesel locomotive in the world. And - they're all in use...
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Can I just say that the HSTs painted in NXEC livery deserve to be scrapped. The GC ones deserve to stay because not only is it a great company but the livery is fantastic.
 

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Can I just say that the HSTs painted in NXEC livery deserve to be scrapped. The GC ones deserve to stay because not only is it a great company but the livery is fantastic.

:| Gawd I hope you never come into running a company. Scrapping a HST because of paint? And keeping a company because of paint? Naaa.

May I remind you, 43108 ran as a Silver machine, with a lovely engine inside. I'm not fussed on paint, it's what is underneath is what is import
 

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I don't approve of HST scrappings as they are revolutionary - the fastest diesel locomotive in the world. And - they're all in use...
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Can I just say that the HSTs painted in NXEC livery deserve to be scrapped. The GC ones deserve to stay because not only is it a great company but the livery is fantastic.

They are not the fastest diesel locomotives in the world. They are powercars first of all.

They are not all in use, 3 powercars have been scrapped.

And that last comment makes you look like a fool.

Scrapping a HST powercar because of paint? Don't be so stupid.

Think before you post.
 
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