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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

pompeyfan

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I’ll quote The Telegrapgh article as per forum rules

Unions derail train upgrades in row over who should close doors​

RMT demands put brakes on rollout of South Western Railway’s new £1bn fleet

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The Arterios were designed for driver-only operation until the RMT insisted guards had to be employed on them

The Arterios were designed for driver-only operation until the RMT insisted guards had to be employed on them Credit: Jas Lehal Media Assignments/PA
Gareth CorfieldTransport Correspondent
23 April 2025 5:58pm BST
A trade union row over who should close doors has delayed a new fleet of trains from entering service.
The RMT trade union has demanded that its guards are responsible for closing the doors on South Western Railway’s £1 billion Arterio train fleet.
However, the new fleet is designed for drivers to both open and close the doors, rendering guards’ jobs obsolete.
Previously the union held 78 days of strikes over the issue.
Training for drivers, who were being taught how to open and close doors on their own, has been delayed.
The new trains were supposed to have entered service in 2019, but have been plagued by repeated delays.
These included the pandemic, as well as another trade union’s objection to the size of its windscreen wiper and software problems.

Proportion of SWR trains arriving on time, relative to all operators in Great Britain

Moving annual average of arrivals within a minute of scheduled time
SWR franchise starts
Pandemic



Source: ORR

The Telegraph can reveal that the latest setback means the 90-strong Arterio fleet will not be fully deployed until as late as 2027.
Thanks to the delays, passengers will be forced to cram onto what one pressure group spokesman described as “rolling stock that’s over 40 years old and without air-conditioning, toilets or even any plug sockets or tables”.

It comes four weeks before SWR is taken over by the Government as the first part of Labour’s flagship rail nationalisation policy.
Heidi Alexander, the Transport Secretary, is summoning the bosses of SWR’s current corporate owners to a meeting next week over the train delays, although it is unclear what First Group and MTR can change within the next four weeks before they hand over control to civil servants.
The RMT insisted that guards were needed to close the doors because it claimed that drivers could not fully see the platform at some of SWR’s stations, potentially leading to passengers getting trapped in doors, Rail magazine first reported.
SWR confirmed that drivers will now open the doors at stations, while guards are responsible for closing them again.

SWR cancellations are soaring​

Quarterly cancellations score*

SWR franchise starts
Pandemic


2,163
2,507
2,850
2,065
2,284
2,570
2,584
2,771
3,816
2,843
3,416
2,923
3,034
4,403
3,442
5,701
2,571
3,410
4,916
3,898
3,748
5,333
5,775
7,344
1,074
2,656
3,272
2,051
3,212
3,022
3,889
4,503
2,729
3,354
3,677
4,203
4,486
2,832
6,292
4,595
4,302
5,210
6,688
*counts a full cancellation as a whole and a partial cancellation as half|Source: ORR

Gareth Bacon MP, the shadow transport secretary, branded the union’s demands as “ludicrous”.
“The blame here lies squarely with the unions,” he said. “The RMT held the rollout hostage with days of strikes, forcing through a compromise that is utterly ludicrous.

“These trains were designed to boost reliability and cut unnecessary staffing costs, but union pressure has derailed that plan.
“Labour’s refusal to stand up to their union paymasters shows they will never succeed in delivering savings on the railway – meaning that their promise to make fares more affordable wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.”
Jeremy Varns, a spokesman for the SWR Watch passenger group, condemned the delays to the Arterios and said that short-formed services would result in misery for commuters.
“Travellers will continue to be crammed into overcrowded carriages, in many cases this will be on rolling stock that’s over 40 years old and without air-conditioning, toilets or even any plug sockets or tables,” he said.
“Passengers have never paid more for turn-up-and-go travel yet the service is sliding ever further backwards. If we’re expected to use 40-year-old trains, perhaps ticket prices should revert back to those from the 1980s?”

Long-running dispute​

Formally known as the Class 701 train, the Arterios were designed for driver-only operation until the RMT trade union insisted that guards had to be employed on them, triggering a long-running series of strikes.

The issue was supposed to have been settled in 2021 with an agreement that drivers would operate the new trains’ doors – opening and closing them – but with guards kept on board for customer service duties.
A handful of the new trains are currently operating on SWR but the full fleet of 90 will not enter service for at least “the next 18-24 months”, a letter sent to Mr Varns by the Department for Transport said.
“Until the Arterio fleet is introduced SWR must use its existing fleet. While it plans to utilise all its fleet for passengers, there are times when unplanned maintenance results in units being taken out of operation sometimes resulting in short-formed services,” the letter added.
SWR’s existing fleet includes a mixed bag of trains, with some having been introduced during the days of British Rail. One train is so old that SWR painted it in heritage British Rail livery last year to celebrate its 40th birthday.
An SWR spokesman said the company is committed to drivers both opening and closing the doors in the future, adding: “We are sorry that the Arterio rollout is taking longer than previously expected.

“As has been well documented, as well as introducing a new set of trains, SWR is introducing a new method of work with our drivers responsible for opening and closing the doors. In order to do so, the drivers rely on effective CCTV cameras and in-cab displays down the full length of the 10-car train to make the judgment it is safe to depart.
“Many of the 98 stations the Arterio will serve were built more than 150 years ago, with the Victorian infrastructure creating some specific challenges in guaranteeing a consistently clear image for the driver, under all light conditions.
“While we complete those works at our stations, we’ve taken the decision to re-phase our training programme in order to bring as many Arterios into customer service as quickly as possible.”
An RMT spokesman said: “Despite the previous government’s attempts to de-staff trains, the evidence is clear: a safety-critical guard is essential for ensuring a secure journey for passengers, responding to potential emergencies and safe operation of the train.”

What absolute nonsense that article is. The RMT were happy with driver open driver close (DODC). It’s a combination of ASLEF and SWR that were unhappy with the images being shown on the DOO monitors. In the grand scheme of things it’s added 3 months to a project that’s already 6 years late. Covid, units not meeting specifications, questionable positioning of where the windscreen wiper “parks” all contributed to the delays.

Some may argue that ASLEF have intentionally dragged their heels and that these units would have flown into service on a true DOO operator, and that is possibly true as they’d be seen as an improvement to the previous driver’s environment. For some reason ASLEF reps on SWR are particularly risk averse, with many ECS services now requiring a guard or the RA from platform staff when interacting with the PTI, so when combining this change to operation and the reps aversion to risk, it’s not really a surprise everything is going to be scrutinised.
 
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Hopefully driver training re-started on Tuesday and there should now be signs of progress (i.e. more diagrams introduced) over the coming weeks - fingers crossed.........
 
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Hopefully driver training re-started on Tuesday and there should now be signs of progress (i.e. more diagrams introduced) over the coming weeks - fingers crossed.........
I haven't heard anything to say it didn't so hopefully it's going well. It'll definitely be interesting to see how quickly new diagrams are introduced so we can gauge the improvement this shorter training course is making (4 day reduction to 6 days)
 

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I guess the first thing is to run the diagrams they have currently reliably so there aren’t daily cancellations…
Hopefully driver training re-started on Tuesday and there should now be signs of progress (i.e. more diagrams introduced) over the coming weeks - fingers crossed.........
 

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Do we know for sure how many units are available to be driven by all these soon to be trained drivers? And how many more will become available to be driven over the rest of 2025. Could we, for example, see 30 x 10 car units in traffic by 31 Dec?
That's true. Although I assume that'll just come with it over time, e.g. a larger pool of drivers means more availability and flexibility across the board
 
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Do we know for sure how many units are available to be driven by all these soon to be trained drivers? And how many more will become available to be driven over the rest of 2025. Could we, for example, see 30 x 10 car units in traffic by 31 Dec?
There are 17 units ready for passenger service at the moment (according to the recent RAIL article), 6 of which are already being used, so 11 more. During that time I'm sure more units will become available too so there isn't an immediate issue there.
As someone said a few posts ago, the new internal goal is for 37 units in service by Christmas (31 new units). Whether or not they mean new diagrams or just 37 units in regular service alternating is not clear but I assume it's the former (hopefully).
 

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Altogether now... "Christmas which year?"
Unless there are unit issues that prevent the roll out there won't be difficulties in getting crew trained. If anything most seem to see it as a positive with the method of work agreed.
 
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Unless there are unit issues that prevent the roll out there won't be difficulties in getting crew trained. If anything most seem to see it as a positive with the method of work agreed.
Agreed - it does feel like the 'stars have (finally) aligned' and (hopefully) good progress should be made now - but fingers crossed as always.........
 

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Still no news about the 30 five-car units which don't work apparently! Why are they not being sent back to Derby for work? Is it simply a SWR ops issue again?
 

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There is a coupling problem and a water ingress issue allegedly discussed earlier.
I simply cannot see water ingress being an issue, unless it is build quality. Surely the cab cars and intermediate cars of the 5 car units were identical to the 10 car units - maybe even being built on the same production line.

I am guessing the 5 car and 10 car units are both capable of multiple working with each other, notwithstanding length issues in passenger service.
 

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I assume the 5 cars won’t be needed until well into 2026, maybe even early 2027. Whatever is wrong with them can be fixed in that time. I mean how long could it possibly take?
 

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I assume the 5 cars won’t be needed until well into 2026, maybe even early 2027. Whatever is wrong with them can be fixed in that time. I mean how long could it possibly take?
I can only see coupling being an issue for the 5car 701s. This is because normally 10car 701s will never couple to another 701 but the 5car 701s will presumably do a lot of joining and splitting.
 

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I assume the 5 cars won’t be needed until well into 2026, maybe even early 2027. Whatever is wrong with them can be fixed in that time. I mean how long could it possibly take?
You started this thread in 2017, look at everything that has happened since! Some obscure issue will be found to delay things by another 5 years. Summer 2030 will still have 455's in daily service with the promise of new trains soon
 

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You started this thread in 2017, look at everything that has happened since! Some obscure issue will be found to delay things by another 5 years. Summer 2030 will still have 455's in daily service with the promise of new trains soon
I think there might have been some sarcasm in WWTownEnth's post...
 

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As I have pointed out before, the five car units [being 1/4 the quantity of the 10 car fleet in terms of carriage numbers] are not as much of a priority.
 

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You started this thread in 2017, look at everything that has happened since! Some obscure issue will be found to delay things by another 5 years. Summer 2030 will still have 455's in daily service with the promise of new trains soon
Crickey - almost eight years ago.
Should we start preparing for the eighth birthday of the thread on 26/05/2025 ?.
Perhaps wait for a nice round ten years on 26/05/2027 as I doubt the thread will be locked by then ?.
 

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As someone said a few posts ago, the new internal goal is for 37 units in service by Christmas (31 new units). Whether or not they mean new diagrams or just 37 units in regular service alternating is not clear but I assume it's the former (hopefully).
SWR has been puffing its "goals" for introducing these trains for the last six years. It's comprehensively failed to meet even one of them, it just abandons every promise until it re-announces them a few months later. Why should anyone believe this time is any different?

As for the press statement, this seems weird:
SWR remains committed to returning to full DODC operations at the earliest viable opportunity.
when SWR will be dumped (justifiably and completely unlamented) in a few weeks time.
 

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There are 17 units ready for passenger service at the moment (according to the recent RAIL article), 6 of which are already being used, so 11 more. During that time I'm sure more units will become available too so there isn't an immediate issue there.
As someone said a few posts ago, the new internal goal is for 37 units in service by Christmas (31 new units). Whether or not they mean new diagrams or just 37 units in regular service alternating is not clear but I assume it's the former (hopefully).
8 units are in active passenger service (used at least once in last two weeks). 6 was the number of daily diagrams for the 701s before the recent removals.

The goal is likely diagrams, DfT will care more about what stock can go off lease rather than how many 701s are used. Another 31 diagrams would remove nearly all 455s and all if 450s or 458/4s can cover the small gap. The Surbiton peak diagram might no longer be needed once the trains around it run as 10-car to make a net 32.
 

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There are 17 units ready for passenger service at the moment (according to the recent RAIL article), 6 of which are already being used, so 11 more.
Isn't it seven units being used?

I've had seven for haulage, NOT including 701 028 which only briefly escaped into service a long time ago.

The ones I've had are:

701 017
701 031
701 034
701 036
701 037
701 039
701 043

Unless one of those has been pulled from service?
 
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Isn't it seven units being used?
Yes you're correct, I used the amount of diagrams rather than all the units being rotated around, apologies
6 was the number of daily diagrams for the 701s before the recent removals.
Have 701s been removed from some diagrams?
The goal is likely diagrams, DfT will care more about what stock can go off lease rather than how many 701s are used. Another 31 diagrams would remove nearly all 455s and all if 450s or 458/4s can cover the small gap. The Surbiton peak diagram might no longer be needed once the trains around it run as 10-car to make a net 32.
If SWR want to introduced 31 new diagrams by Christmas, they'll need to add 3-4 each month (starting from May). Previously it was 1-2, so with the new shorter course this seems reasonable.
 

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