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8Q57 Worksop to Derby today was 37611 730033 37601
There's at least five of them in there as of a couple of minutes ago.730036 & 730038 have moved to Doncaster Belmont for storage today
Thank you.730037 and 730039 are the other two.
The 2/s now seem to be 1/s according to the article. Interestingly, it mentions that "On WCML services, pairs of five-car Class 730/1s will replace 12-car Class 350 formations". Does this mean that services that are now 8 car formations will only be 5 cars? That would be a reduction in seating. I am not sure we will see any 5 car 730s in service until 2025, because of the ASLEF dispute, and the depot building extention works at Bletchley. It takes much longer for new trains to enter service these days anyway.Thought it'd be worth noting, I've just looked at the factsheet again, it seems they've corrected the seating count for the LNR 730/2s, they're now saying that they have 406 seats, vice the previously stated 463: https://www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk/media/2665/download?inline
There's also a rather interesting article on railway gazette which gives details on fleet introduction, current training status, and where we're most likely to see them (some of the details given in the video interview with the engineering director inside the article are slightly different to that of the factsheet) while being deliberately vague about the /2s: https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/w...out-aventra-emu-deployment-plan/64477.article
In my opinion, we have some exciting times ahead for sure!
The Engineering Director in the video states that they are 730/2s. It's been mentioned up thread that Euston-Crewe will most likely be seeing 10 car 730 formations, with 12 car 350s in the interim, while the article states that they are looking into reintroducing 2tph on Birmingham-Liverpool using 5 car 730s (whether the DfT would allow this or not is a different story), giving a capacity uplift of 80m worth of carriage per hour on both services.The 2/s now seem to be 1/s according to the article. Interestingly, it mentions that "On WCML services, pairs of five-car Class 730/1s will replace 12-car Class 350 formations". Does this mean that services that are now 8 car formations will only be 5 cars? That would be a reduction in seating. I am not sure we will see any 5 car 730s in service until 2025, because of the ASLEF dispute, and the depot building extention works at Bletchley. It takes much longer for new trains to enter service these days anyway.
Also some of the services listed on the fact sheet are in bold text like Crewe - London Euston and some are in normal text like Liverpool - Birmingham. Probably does not mean anything though.
In the video he also says London to Northampton services will be the initial ones while the fact sheet says London to Milton Keynes.The Engineering Director in the video states that they are 730/2s. It's been mentioned up thread that Euston-Crewe will most likely be seeing 10 car 730 formations, with 12 car 350s in the interim, while the article states that they are looking into reintroducing 2tph on Birmingham-Liverpool using 5 car 730s (whether the DfT would allow this or not is a different story), giving a capacity uplift of 80m worth of carriage per hour on both services.
that one confused me, presumably he meant that, since there have been no regular London-Northampton services that don’t go through to new st since December as far as I know.In the video he also says London to Northampton services will be the initial ones while the fact sheet says London to Milton Keynes.
Yep, it's the 319 routes first so won't be Northampton services.that one confused me, presumably he meant that, since there have been no regular London-Northampton services that don’t go through to new st since December as far as I know.
In the video he also says London to Northampton services will be the initial ones while the fact sheet says London to Milton Keynes.
1 week!? They must be more different than I thought! Apparently the conversion from 195 to 331 is around a day or two.Yep, it's the 319 routes first so won't be Northampton services.
Haven't watched the video, but should be Wolves-Walsall next for the /0.
Our DIs have said it's a 1 week conversion from the /0 to /1 or /2
I do wonder whether this would happen, though, I wouldn’t imagine this would work for every route, with Liverpool being hourly, if a unit fails at, say, Liverpool South Parkway, and there’s only one other 730 diagrammed on Liverpool’s, in Birmingham, you’d be waiting a very long time to rescue the unit - unless they were to use a unit from Crewe L&NWR depot (if they’ll stable 730s there, I believe some 350s are stabled there). I’d imagine this could also apply to the Trent valley runs north of Rugby, where there’s a lot less service.There's been lots of to-ing and fro-ing over it. With portion working having been more or less entirely stopped, thus removing the risk of a 350 and 730 showing up together to couple, my suspicion is that it'll be a lot more random in allocation terms, i.e. if they want a 240m or 120m formation they'll use 730s and if they want a 160m formation they'll use 350s rather than that units will be allocated to specific service groups. An 80m formation isn't really suitable for anything (i.e. 4.350) so hopefully those will cease, though there aren't many diagrammed even now.
As for initial deployment it'll be the /0s to replace 319s. I don't think any 319s go to Northampton now, though a few did before the major timetable change.
I do wonder whether this would happen, though, I wouldn’t imagine this would work for every route, with Liverpool being hourly, if a unit fails at, say, Liverpool South Parkway, and there’s only one other 730 diagrammed on Liverpool’s, in Birmingham, you’d be waiting a very long time to rescue the unit - unless they were to use a unit from Crewe L&NWR depot (if they’ll stable 730s there, I believe some 350s are stabled there). I’d imagine this could also apply to the Trent valley runs north of Rugby, where there’s a lot less service.
They really aren't, but that's what's been said so far! Saying that, they are giving plenty of time at Crewe for refresh training for the DIs ready to train the rest of the depot. Clearly no rush at the moment. That or they'd rather plan for longer than necessary1 week!? They must be more different than I thought! Apparently the conversion from 195 to 331 is around a day or two.
Indeed, I couldn't see any in the timetable and you'd want 350s on Northampton runs as it's their home depot.that one confused me, presumably he meant that, since there have been no regular London-Northampton services that don’t go through to new st since December as far as I know.
The splitting and joining at Northampton seemed to be getting them through Northampton depot.There's been lots of to-ing and fro-ing over it. With portion working having been more or less entirely stopped, thus removing the risk of a 350 and 730 showing up together to couple, my suspicion is that it'll be a lot more random in allocation terms, i.e. if they want a 240m or 120m formation they'll use 730s and if they want a 160m formation they'll use 350s rather than that units will be allocated to specific service groups. An 80m formation isn't really suitable for anything (i.e. 4.350) so hopefully those will cease, though there aren't many diagrammed even now.
As for initial deployment it'll be the /0s to replace 319s. I don't think any 319s go to Northampton now, though a few did before the major timetable change.
I wouldn’t imagine that would be able to happen without another timetable change, it’d also destroy one of the biggest points of the current timetable - the diagrams are fully self contained.Indeed, I couldn't see any in the timetable and you'd want 350s on Northampton runs as it's their home depot.
The splitting and joining at Northampton seemed to be getting them through Northampton depot.
The LNWR 730s are being based at Bletchley so I'd imagine they'll be the main traction for MK services and they'll use Euston to swap them around between MK and Crewe services to get them all going through Bletchley.
Wonder how they originally planned to do it while keeping 2+2 and 3+2 units on the correct services.
Wonder how they originally planned to do it while keeping 2+2 and 3+2 units on the correct services.
Oh there's still time, I'm picturing a 10-car /1 on the Cross City, with 700 passengers on a horrid 3-car orange thing on the Trent. You know it'll happenJudging by the 350s both types would have ended up anywhere.
It'd be interesting to see how much time that would lose, or if it'd be similar to a 165 vs 168 situation. Hopefully it won't happen, since they're both based at different depots.Oh there's still time, I'm picturing a 10-car /1 on the Cross City, with 700 passengers on a horrid 3-car orange thing on the Trent. You know it'll happen
Does anyone know why it was at Old Dalby?730103 dragged from Old Dalby to Crewe CS by 37510 today, 5Q42
Testing!Does anyone know why it was at Old Dalby?
Do we know what they were testing, have any modifications been made?Testing!
It'd be interesting to see how much time that would lose, or if it'd be similar to a 165 vs 168 situation. Hopefully it won't happen, since they're both based at different depots.
On Tuesday I had a meeting with WMT who confirmed that the original plan to have the 3 car 730/0 on the Cross City Line and the 730/1 on the LNWR routes is still in place as they have different seating layouts and top speeds. Autumn is the proposed time and then the glorious orange WMR trains will have acquired the necessary mileage and be based at Soho TMD.Oh there's still time, I'm picturing a 10-car /1 on the Cross City, with 700 passengers on a horrid 3-car orange thing on the Trent. You know it'll happen
Think that will be a private discussion between Alstom and LNWR. Maybe testing something as simple as a Softaware mod.Do we know what they were testing, have any modifications been made?
Is that via new Street, or the new route via Darlaston that's supposed to be coming when that station opens?Haven't watched the video, but should be Wolves-Walsall next for the /0.