Glenmutchkin
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Seems to me that at 4 he has been pushed too far up the order for Test cricket. Tomorrow's conditions don't matter if you have to bat against a decent attack in the fourth over today.
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Mikey C
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That was the justification for Denly in the team, someone to protect the middle order from the new ball and fresh bowlers...
Busaholic
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I agree with both those comments. Pope makes a far better no. 4. In fact, this is one of England's least convincing batting XIs for a while, in common with the last test. Buttler has not got a good test batting record, Woakes doesn't make runs these days and Broad is only good for a last wicket smasharound. Buttler should be replaced by Foakes or Bairstow in my opinion: both have always been better keepers, and potentially better batsmen.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Day 3 0f the Test Match was very much a day for the bowlers. Pakistan took the final England first innings wickets, leaving England all out for 219, giving Pakistan a lead of 107 runs. However no Pakistan batsman made much of an impact and in their second innings, they were 137-8 at close of play, a lead of 244 runs.
Incidentally, did anyone notice how many of the Pakistan batsmen made double figures in their first innings?
Incidentally, did anyone notice how many of the Pakistan batsmen made double figures in their first innings?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Day 4 saw the Pakistan tail-enders add 32 useful runs before losing their last two wickets to close at 169 all out. They have set England a target of 277 to win with virtually two days play in which to achieve that aim.
kje7812
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England 21 runs to win with 4 wickets remaining.
All due to Woakes and Buttler really.
All due to Woakes and Buttler really.
Xenophon PCDGS
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England 277-7, win by three wickets. Woakes and Buttler's stand of 129 completely turned the game around after England had lost their first five wickets.
kje7812
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117-5 didn't look too promising that's for sure. Most comments on TMS suggested that the pakistani player seemed to have given up towards the end, which is quite the reversal from when the 5th wicket fell.
kje7812
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With rain delays on the first, second and now fourth days and the third day being wiped out due to rain and bad light, I feel that the second test might end up being a draw. The forecast for today and tomorrow isn't great either.
GRALISTAIR
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God I miss cricket here in the USA. The yanks ask incredulously “5 days to play a game? “
Xenophon PCDGS
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Good to see that Broad and Anderson managed to take seven of the Pakistan first innings wickets between them.
Perhaps not so good for England's prospects in a couple of years when both will be retired...
Bill Bryson’s thoughts on the subject are quite amusing, albeit wrong.
After a long discourse about the principle of having a sport that takes 5 days and can still end in a draw, and that it has breaks specifically for meals, he summed it up with “the only two differences between baseball and cricket is that baseball is exciting, and at the end of the day you know who’s won”
GRALISTAIR
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Well I think baseball is incredibly boring. Test match cricket in particular is thoroughly absorbing
I quite like baseball, but it is all a bit simple.
Test cricket has strategy, tactics, skill, weather and a smattering of luck.
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Americans don't like anything that ends in a draw! Over here, football, cricket, rugby, very rarely a tie-breaker, just a draw, shake hands, share the points. Except in football where you lose out on half-a-point!
GRALISTAIR
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Last time I watched Cricket was at Old Trafford for a 1 day game
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Last time I saw a game was Surrey v Hampshire, one dayer, at Whitgift School, Croydon, specifically to see Shane Warne in action for just the one time in my life. Arrived late, wasn't disappointed, Shane was in his first over and the first and third balls I saw him bowl he took wickets, ending up with his best ever one day bowling figures of 6 for something, and this in his 600th plus onedayer. He spent the entire interval between innings signing autographs, and the team had only arrived in Croydon at 3 a.m. after a four day county championship match at Headingley that had gone to the wire. What he was on, I don't know, but, tell you what, he deserved every minute of it as far as I am concerned. More than any other team (or other) game I suggest it is a true test of character, and that guy had it in spades.
GRALISTAIR
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Shane Warne imho has to be in the top 25 cricketers of all time.
Busaholic
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Most certainly, although I'd hate to have to list them in any sort of order: that way lies madness!
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Last game I got to was t20 final last year at Edgbaston, then I was also at all days of the Ashes at Old Trafford too. I am missing being at the cricket, next weekend I had a few days booked off work to see Lancashire v Surrey at Old Trafford in the County Championship. I will need to console myself in the knowledge that what I have spent on Cricket this year can carry over to games next year instead.
Top 5, surely.
Best spinner ever. Murali got more wickets but played far more of his career on pitches that suited him. Warne could turn it on glass.
GRALISTAIR
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Absolutely no doubt in top 10 and agreed strong chance of top 5 but then it gets into opinions
Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Lara - not easy
GRALISTAIR
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Definitely
Tendulkar, Kallis, Warne, Sobers, Sangakkara.
I am too young to have seen Sobers play, but saw all the others.
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No, not at all easy. I'd prefer to choose a top 20 or 25 myself, because it's also a question of balance. For instance, in a 25 it should be possible to put out a couple of X1s not top heavy with batsmen. Always a bit more difficult to choose bowlers, I'd suggest, as there's less that an individual can do to secure entry in terms of style or beating individual records e.g. no bowler can take more than 10 wickets in an innings! For my money, though, Holding, Marshall, Lindwall and Imran Khan would have to be amongst the fast bowlers, and Viv Richards the batsmen. I'm deliberately not suggesting any England players, past or present.
GRALISTAIR
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In the modern era had forgotten about Kallis. A great without doubt.