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I'd like to have been in the Dressing Room when the Captain who ran out Garbaz came in.
To say Garbaz was furious is an understatement.
Well done to Joe Root for his 4 catches, one of which will be a contender for catch of the World Cup.
 
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Pathetic effort from England. Yes we've not really prepared for this tournament but even so.
 

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England will now probably need to win five of their remaining six fixtures to make the semi-finals. On current form only the match against the Netherlands looks winnable!
 

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Looks like England, having already lost to Afghanistan, are now going to lose to South Africa (who were beaten by the Netherlands!) by a huge score. Our reign as 50-over champions is well and truly over.
 

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All over really, there's no way back from here. England might as well get someone booking the flights home now*.

The best England can hope for is to avoid finishing below Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Netherlands, and the way they're playing that's far from certain. 2019 is now a distant memory.

*akin to Fred Trueman's famous line to opposing teams about to bat: "start the bus, driver, this won't take us long!"
 

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What I would say is that we just look absolutely knackered. Whether this is a physical or mental tiredness I don't know. Maybe both.

We've had a good run in the shorter versions of the game. The effort we put in led to two world cup wins.

Really need to balance out our ambition when it comes to test and one day cricket from here on.
 

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All over really, there's no way back from here. England might as well get someone booking the flights home now*.

The best England can hope for is to avoid finishing below Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Netherlands, and the way they're playing that's far from certain. 2019 is now a distant memory.

*akin to Fred Trueman's famous line to opposing teams about to bat: "start the bus, driver, this won't take us long!"
Their next game is against Sri Lanka, who themselves only won their first game today against the Netherlands, though managed to make a meal of it. Should England win the SL game watch for all the 'they can still go on to qualify for the semis and go on to win' claptrap in sections of the media, maybe on here too. The World Cup was lost as soon as the final squad was announced - the bowling attack was unbalanced, too old and in Woakes and Wood chose two for English, rather than Indian, conditions. All the nonsense surrounding the position of Jofra Archer (still not match fit even if he were allowed to play) hasn't helped. If the management/captain whoever weren't prepared to play Atkinson until now why include him in the squad? As for spinners, can England afford to leave out Mooen Ali? As they foolishly didn't include Will Jacks as Bairstow's opening partner (Malan to bat at three) his off spin is unavailable and I'd have had Rehan Ahmed in the squad too, rather than Livingstone.
 

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England lose by 229 runs, their worst ever ODI defeat. It would have been even worse but for a 70 run partnership between numbers 9 and 10, who also topped England's scoresheet.

The net run rate will surely finish any hope of reaching the semifinals even if they win all the remaining games (highly unlikely as that is).

Had it not been for that partnership England would be bottom of the table. As it is we are very marginally above Afghanistan on run rate (-1.248 vs -1.25).
 
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All over really, there's no way back from here. England might as well get someone booking the flights home now*.

The best England can hope for is to avoid finishing below Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Netherlands, and the way they're playing that's far from certain. 2019 is now a distant memory.

*akin to Fred Trueman's famous line to opposing teams about to bat: "start the bus, driver, this won't take us long!"
Don't worry, the expanded plans for the Hundred must save English cricket, the ECB says so (as the massive compost-heap of responsibility for England's performance flops limply at its feet).

We may be on our way out with a whimper like a pining dog, but at least we have new competitions that can prove a warm-up for the English Cup for Baseball. Why would it be so impossible to use the Hundred's marketing flair (its only virtue) in the T20s instead, rather than unnecessarily packing up the calendar and reducing the chance for preparation for a defence of the World Cup title.

Going in and claiming we'll win it with the preparation we've had is like me asking for a run in my local club's first eleven despite the fact that I have never played a game of "serious" cricket and am worse than useless at most things except bowling wides.
 

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*akin to Fred Trueman's famous line to opposing teams about to bat: "start the bus, driver, this won't take us long!"

He also reputedly used to shout to the bloke who opened the gate from the dressing room to the pitch as lower order batsmen came in to bat “leave the gate open lad, he’ll not be long”
 

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England lose by 229 runs, their worst ever ODI defeat. It would have been even worse but for a 70 run partnership between numbers 9 and 10, who also topped England's scoresheet.

The net run rate will surely finish any hope of reaching the semifinals even if they win all the remaining games (highly unlikely as that is).

Had it not been for that partnership England would be bottom of the table. As it is we are very marginally above Afghanistan on run rate (1.248 vs 1.25).
Topley has a suspected broken finger, so England will probably need a replacement bowler. Despite being selected as a travelling reserve, Archer is not deemed fit enough to be considered!
 

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I’m starting to realise that perhaps, whilst they may be young enough to continue (Batters 36-38 by 2027) they may not be the performers we need moving forward after this World Cup. My suggested 2027 XI is below, with older players who seem likely to be available in 2027 given younger/fresher possible replacements. Will Jacks and Rehan Ahmed would need to improve their spin bowling to ensure England could operate with 4 seamers and 2 spinners including himself. Batting depth is retained with specialist bats down to six thanks to Jacks, then genuine allrounders down to 9. Ages in early 2027 included. TKC is included given quite how spectacular he has proven to be in his role of freedom at Somerset, I always felt he was held down to keep the order together at Yorkshire. I have mainly picked Henry Brookes as a general young high pace bowler but equally it could be Turner or Atkinson or someone else.

Jonny Bairstow (37)/Phil Salt (30)
Will Jacks (28)
Joe Root (36)/Sam Hain (31)
Jos Buttler (36)/Ben Duckett (31)
Harry Brook (28)
Tom Kohler-Cadmore (32)
Brydon Carse (31)
Sam Curran (28)
Rehan Ahmed (22)
Jofra Archer (32)/Henry Brookes (26)
Reece Topley (33)/Luke Wood (31)
 

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What I would say is that we just look absolutely knackered. Whether this is a physical or mental tiredness I don't know. Maybe both.
Unsurprising, as most of them played in The Hundred, some extensively, and what's more, some straight after a very demanding Ashes series.

For that month of August they should have said "Go away and have a holiday, forget about cricket altogether, and come back to prepare for this in September."
 

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Unsurprising, as most of them played in The Hundred, some extensively, and what's more, some straight after a very demanding Ashes series.

For that month of August they should have said "Go away and have a holiday, forget about cricket altogether, and come back to prepare for this in September."

But that isn’t what the players want. They know the life changing amounts of money are in franchise t20 and the hundred. Unfortunately
 

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Topley has a suspected broken finger, so England will probably need a replacement bowler. Despite being selected as a travelling reserve, Archer is not deemed fit enough to be considered!
What a farce, and so predictable! Will the end come in England's ninth match when they meet and are beaten by the Netherlands? Stokes shouldn't have been included unless he was in theory able to bowl some overs, if not the full allowance. Bairstow, Malan, Brook, Stokes and Buttler as non-bowlers, and Root really unlikely to bowl a full quota, puts England at a real disadvantage to all the other teams who each have six, if not seven, who might be expected to bowl 10 overs without it being an emergency situation.
 

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Carse is flying out tomorrow to replace the injured Topley, but is unlikely to be ready to face Sri Lanka on Thursday!
 

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Rock bottom in more ways than one. But at least we should beat the Netherlands.......
The Netherlands beat South Africa, who then slaughtered England, so..... In any case, it's our last game, by which time we'll already be out.
 

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Rock bottom in more ways than one. But at least we should beat the Netherlands.......
We will most likely have failed to qualify for the semi-finals by then. The England v Siri Lanka match on Thursday is crucial for both teams, lose and it’s over!
 

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Am I right that Jofra Archer has been unfit to play for a long time (how long? seems like years), but is still on a central contract, maybe more than one? In what other profession would someone be unable to work for so long but be in receipt of full pay?
 

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It was the fact that Afghanistan were chasing a Pakistan total of 282-7 and responded with a total of 286-2. Did the Pakistan bowling attack underestimate them?

Afghanistan won by eight wickets, not seven wickets.
The Pakistan innings was going well but got slowed down with Afghanistan spinners doing damage. There was then more sloppy Pakistan fielding.
 

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Am I right that Jofra Archer has been unfit to play for a long time (how long? seems like years), but is still on a central contract, maybe more than one? In what other profession would someone be unable to work for so long but be in receipt of full pay?
He has not played Test cricket for two and a half years. His last white ball game for England during a short comeback, was a T20 match in Bangladesh last March.
 

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South Africa have yet again made a very large total, this time against Bangladesh. What was all that we were being fed by English media that they were so reliant on their top four batters, whereas England batted all the way down?! Willey at 7 and Rashid at 8 in the last match gave the lie to that, though Wood and Atkinson did their best in a futile cause. One of yesterday's newspapers seemed to be certain that Roy would be the replacement for Topley, as there is no attempt to impose a 'like-for-like' rule, but was proved wrong by the call going to Brydon Carse, which I have no issue with. Now how to get Jacks and Ahmed there, if only to save face.
 

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