Cross Country Trains - Leeds to Glasgow

[Bigman]

Hello everyone. I am new to this forum.

Sorry if this has been covered somewhere else, but am I right in thinking that Cross Country will be operating more services from Leeds/York to Glasgow central from the May 2011 timetable? I know that East Coast have reduced their through services.

Thanks.

 

[cuccir]

East Coast have reduced their through service to 1!

I don't know if XC have released their timetable for May 2011 yet, but they are increasing their through trains. A search in the journey planners suggests that there remains an overall loss of 3 direct trains from York to Glasgow.

 

[dk1]

East Coast have reduced their through service to 1!

Unless you count the cl91 operationally convenient ones via Donny wasnt there only the daily Leeds Aberdeen anyway?

 

[MCR247]

He meant East Coast services in general to Glasgow

 

[dk1]

He meant East Coast services in general to Glasgow

Oh i see now.

Leeds to Scotland has though seen a massive increase in through services since VT introduced Voyagers though. Looking back in old timetables it was very poor but suppose there are worse places to change than York.

 

[gordonthemoron]

there are worse places to change than York.

yes, Doncaster

 

[Failed Unit]

Oh i see now.

Leeds to Scotland has though seen a massive increase in through services since VT introduced Voyagers though. Looking back in old timetables it was very poor but suppose there are worse places to change than York.

To be honest I still do always change at York when travelling from Scotland - Leeds. 2 reasons, AP tickets are always cheaper on East Coast and I prefer a train with wi-fi, buffet and the ability to use a mobile phone. This isn't a dig a the Voyager as you can do all 3 of my listed items on a Virgin operated voyager as they have invested in wi-fi and mobile phone signal boosters.

 

[bradders1983]

Darlington is also an easy change - you wont have to change platforms whatsoever. Always the risk you might have to at York i guess.

 

[Failed Unit]

Darlington is also an easy change - you wont have to change platforms whatsoever. Always the risk you might have to at York i guess.

True, but York has more services. You can often get a TPE and arrive at Leeds ahead of the XC service, worse case you are on the XC and have lost nothing.

 

[dk1]

True, but York has more services. You can often get a TPE and arrive at Leeds ahead of the XC service, worse case you are on the XC and have lost nothing.

Or sneak off to the NRM or The Maltings

 

[tbtc]

Leeds to Scotland has though seen a massive increase in through services since VT introduced Voyagers though. Looking back in old timetables it was very poor but suppose there are worse places to change than York.

IIRC before Operation Princess it was three services south from Edinburgh in the morning and three north from Newcastle in the evening. For everything else you had to change to a GNER service.

 

[swt_passenger]

Hello everyone. I am new to this forum.

Sorry if this has been covered somewhere else, but am I right in thinking that Cross Country will be operating more services from Leeds/York to Glasgow central from the May 2011 timetable? I know that East Coast have reduced their through services.

Thanks.

These are the additional XC timings, you should be able to 'add them on' to the Edinburgh trains shown in the current timetable:

On weekdays, the extended ‘Down’ direction services from Edinburgh to Glasgow will depart at 05:33, 09:11, 11:11, 13:11, 15:11 and 17:11.
Extended services in the ‘Up’ direction will start back from Glasgow Central at 07:50, 11:00, 13:00, 15:00 16:58 and 19:00.

 

[Bigman]

Thanks for that swt_passenger.

Do you know which (if any!!) will be routing through Leeds and if so timing through Leeds.

Cheers.

 

[MCR247]

Use XCs journey planner

 

[laird]

Plus going back many years there was the once per day Leeds - Settle- Carlisle - Glasgow service, I only ever got to use it once from Glasgow Central to Carlisle when it turned out to be a Northern Spirit liveried 156 (instead of a booked 158), it certainly was an interesting experience to travel along at 75mph on the WCML climbing those steep inclines.
Is there a particularly large market for Leeds-Glasgow that might be attracting these services?

 

[gordonthemoron]

going even further back, there was a Nottingham-Leeds-Settle-Carlisle-Glasgow service in the 1970s

 

[tbtc]

Is there a particularly large market for Leeds-Glasgow that might be attracting these services?

I don't think so, but it gets suggested quite often because they are two cities that haven't had a regular daytime link (in the way you get threads where people trying to link two cities with no direct trains)

If Glasgow gets a direct train to anywhere I'd say there would be much more demand for Liverpool (or a daily service to Blackpool!)

 

[MCR247]

The only reason they are running is because EC is withdrawing, so DfT told XC to run

Beat to it

 

[swt_passenger]

The only reason they are running is because EC is withdrawing, so DfT told XC to run

Beat to it

Which is why all the newspaper stuff about the service only 'possibly going over to XC' was just scaremongering.

If they'd read the DfT's proposals and the draft timetable that had already been decided. Franchised TOCs just run the services they are told to, funnily enough.