Currently used ticket stock

[codenamecuebal]

What ticket stock is currently held inside our small and large ticket offices and are they used for? Is everything now printed on common stock?

 

[bb21]

Monthly+ Season is now blue I believe.

 

[causton]

I assume just about every station has railcard stock

 

[wintonian]

I assume just about every station has railcard stock

Only the staffed ones.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

16-25 Railcard - All offices
Senior Railcard - All offices
Family & Friends Railcard - All offices
NSE Railcard - All NSE offices
Devon & Cornwall Railcard - All Devon & Cornwall offices
Cambrian Railcard - All Cambrian offices
Esk Vale Railcard - All Esk Vale offices
Highland Railcard - All Highland offices
Wales Railcard - All Welsh offices
Scottish Youth Railcard - All Scottish offices
Valleys Senior Railcard - All Valleys offices
Valleys Youth Railcard - All Valleys offices
GMPTE Countycard - All GMPTE offices
WYPTE Metrocard - All WYPTE offices
WYPTE DayRover - All WYPTE offices (but also supplied to some GMPTE offices!)
SYPTE Travelmaster - SYPTE offices
WMPTE Nnetwork - WMPTE offices
Common season - All offices
*Period travelcard - All NSE area offices
*Period travelcard (duplicate) - All NSE area offices
*Period travelcard (replacement)- All NSE offices
*Period season - All offices
*Period season (duplicate) - All offices
*Period season (replacement) - All offices
Annual 'Goldcard' - All NSE area offices
Annual Travelcard 'Goldcard' - All NSE area offices
Devon & Cornwall area annual 'Goldcard' - Devon & Cornwall area offices

*Being replaced by Common season stock, but may still be in circulation

 

[NLC1072]

Monthly+ Season is now blue I believe.

Season - annual tickets are on yellow gold card stock in the south east, monthly tickets and less are all on orange standard stock

 

[Deerfold]

Season - annual tickets are on yellow gold card stock in the south east, monthly tickets and less are all on orange standard stock

My annual's on blue but it's a special EC only ticket - issued at KGX.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

My annual's on blue but it's a special EC only ticket - issued at KGX.

Season tickets for use wholly within the former NSE area, issued in the former NSE area, for a period of one year, are issued on 'Goldcard' stock, others will use the common season stock (blue).

 

[island]

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/season_tickets/goldcard.html suggests Gold Cards are available for all tickets issued in the former NSE area where the origin or destination is in the area, i.e. travel doesn't have to be wholly within the area.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Technicality I guess, but it's essentially the same thing.

 

[John @ home]

Technicality I guess, but it's essentially the same thing.

I don't think so.

Around 1987, I had an annual Bristol - London R1245 Travelcard. I bought it at Kings Cross Thameslink to get the Gold Card benefits. If I had bought it at Bristol, these would not have been available to me.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Sorry. I thought it said origin and destination, that is what it should read. Quite a few ticket office clerks I knew in London would issue any yearly ticket on goldcard stock.

 

[codenamecuebal]

Going to ask for a one day roundabout in glasgow to be issued on season stock, see if they'll do that for me

 

[John @ home]

Sorry. I thought it said origin and destination, that is what it should read.

What makes you think it should read origin and destination. I was encouraged to buy the ticket in London by Barry Doe, writing in Modern Railways just after Gold Cards were introduced.

A restriction to origin and destination would penalise the railway's highest-paying customers are encourage them, in the Bristol case, to buy separate Bristol - Reading and Reading - London tickets.

 

[clagmonster]

WYPTE DayRover - All WYPTE offices (but also supplied to some GMPTE offices!)

This comes in two forms of ticket stock, Train and Bus and Train only. There used to be a family stock also, I'm not sure whether this was retained when the stock was redesigned a few years back. They are also held at Doncaster and at one stage Scunthorpe (they may still be there, but the clerk a friend saw a couple of days ago could not find any).

 

[RJ]

Going to ask for a one day roundabout in glasgow to be issued on season stock, see if they'll do that for me

Anything can be issued on any stock, I wouldn't do it for anyone though, some eagle eyed inspector may well pick up on it, withdraw the ticket and have an investigation launched - I've certainly withdrawn dodgy tickets.

 

[Paul Kelly]

There certainly still was WY Family Dayrover special stock last Easter (2010) when I bought one at Leeds station. No idea where it is now or I'd upload a picture...

 

[hairyhandedfool]

What makes you think it should read origin and destination. I was encouraged to buy the ticket in London by Barry Doe, writing in Modern Railways just after Gold Cards were introduced.

A restriction to origin and destination would penalise the railway's highest-paying customers are encourage them, in the Bristol case, to buy separate Bristol - Reading and Reading - London tickets.

My understanding comes from when I worked in London where I was told during training that both had to be within the former NSE area, never had cause to check since, but having now looked in the FRPP I can only assume the rules have changed at some point, as it lists TWO ways of getting the goldcard.

1) Issued at a London & SE office with an origin and/or destination in the NSE area

2) Where the origin is in the London & SE area

So whilst I accept I am wrong here, it does seem that any office can issue goldcards (I don't know how yet, but apparently it is so). Apparently I could go to Thurso, buy a Bedford to Wellingborough yearly season and still have a goldcard, but if I bought a Wellingborough to Bedford yearly season from there, it won't be a goldcard.

However, I fail to see how it would have been penalising anyone to be valid only in the NSE area.

As it stands it seems that people buying a £1500 Wellingborough-Bedford yearly ticket at Wellingborough should not be given the same benefits as someone buying a £1500 Wellingborough-Bedford yearly ticket at Bedford, or even a £1500 Bedford-Wellingborough yearly ticket at Wellingborough! This sounds far more unfair to me.

 

[bb21]

As it stands it seems that people buying a £1500 Wellingborough-Bedford yearly ticket at Wellingborough should not be given the same benefits as someone buying a £1500 Wellingborough-Bedford yearly ticket at Bedford, or even a £1500 Bedford-Wellingborough yearly ticket at Wellingborough! This sounds far more unfair to me.

Perhaps they should always be issued from the station in the Network area to the station outside if only one of them happens to be in.

I don't think in reality it really disadvantages the passenger, as he can simply ask for it to be the other way round if he really wants the Goldcard.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Perhaps they should always be issued from the station in the Network area to the station outside if only one of them happens to be in....

If the railway wanted to do that, why write the rule like they have? Why not just say if the origin or destination is a former-NSE area station they get a goldcard?

....I don't think in reality it really disadvantages the passenger, as he can simply ask for it to be the other way round if he really wants the Goldcard.

Assuming the passenger knows about it.

 

[LexyBoy]

1) Issued at a London & SE office with an origin and/or destination in the NSE area

2) Where the origin is in the London & SE area

Could this be a mistake, or relic from some older version? (2) seems a bit bizarre when ticket offices outside the Network area wouldn't have GC stock (as you say), and when there's no distinction between origin and destination on a Season anyway (AFAIK).

 

[Greeby]

To give specific examples, here is what's available at the stations I've worked (NMP, MKC, BLY, LBZ)

Railcards:
16-25 Railcard (Stock and Photocard)
Senior Railcard
Family and Friends Railcard
Network Railcard

Seasons:
Common Stock Season (Blue): For seasons over one month, PlusBus seasons of one month or longer, and PRIV seasons. Using these for monthlies is permitted by the manual, but management told us not to on cost grounds.

Annual Gold Card Point-to-Point & Travelcard: The stations do have existing stocks of Duplicate and Replacement versions. But it seems these are being phased out, as MKC ran out of Replacement types ages ago and haven't been replaced since.

Period Travelcard Season: These are surplus in this area since Tribute was upgraded to print all the details on blank stock. Some still use them, although according to the response I got from ATOC, shouldn't be due to the overprinting. At MKC, we destroyed our remaining stocks a few months back (They were starting to turn yellow at the ends)

Period Season (Grey): These are long gone from this area. Some leftover Duplicate and Replacement stocks were languishing at MKC, until they were destroyed at the same time as the Travelcard seasons.

N-Train (West Midlands PTE) seasons: Thease can be issued as through tickets from Northampton onwards, so naturally they have the stock there. I managed to request a small amount from Northampton for Milton Keynes, just in case we ever get asked to do renewals.

 

[causton]

To give specific examples, here is what's available at the stations I've worked (NMP, MKC, BLY, LBZ)

Railcards:
16-25 Railcard (Stock and Photocard)
Senior Railcard
Family and Friends Railcard
Network Railcard

Seasons:
Common Stock Season (Blue): For seasons over one month, PlusBus seasons of one month or longer, and PRIV seasons. Using these for monthlies is permitted by the manual, but management told us not to on cost grounds.

What is on the season stock that makes it costlier?

 

[island]

What is on the season stock that makes it costlier?

They're higher quality (I think paper stuck to plastic in the middle) so they don't disintegrate after going through barriers 160+ times.

 

[causton]

They're higher quality (I think paper stuck to plastic in the middle) so they don't disintegrate after going through barriers 160+ times.

Oh ok

 

[island]

Ireland has far more types of stock (adult/student/child, single/return/point-to-point season/each different zonal ticket, plus tickets for admission to attractions, and three kinds of generic stock)! If the ticket clerk feeds the wrong kind of stock then the maachine spits it back out.

 

[krus_aragon]

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Wales Railcard - All Welsh offices
...

That's a new one to me. You're not thinking of the Heart of Wales railcard, are you? That's only available from Llandrindod.

 

[causton]

Ireland has far more types of stock (adult/student/child, single/return/point-to-point season/each different zonal ticket, plus tickets for admission to attractions, and three kinds of generic stock)! If the ticket clerk feeds the wrong kind of stock then the maachine spits it back out.

Wow, soon you'll be having different pre-printed tickets for each individual journey to just date stamp and hand to the customer

 

[hairyhandedfool]

That's a new one to me. You're not thinking of the Heart of Wales railcard, are you? That's only available from Llandrindod.

I thought there were two Welsh railcards that use the same stock, although I don't know specifics.

 

[metrocammel]

Unless it's been changed recently, stations using TRIBUTE require blue 'Freedom of Scotland' for the said rover. I had problems buying one at Manchester Piccadilly a couple of years back (as they tried to print it on common stock, but obviously no boxes printed etc..). Luckily they still had (and still do) some old purple rover stock with pre-printed boxes which they used in place of the blue stock...