edwin_m
Veteran Member
The loco doesn't look to be foul of the main line. Are all the cancellations simply because they haven't mended the track circuit interrupter and/or there are lots of people milling about and needing a track closure?
Empty can be worse than full, but the initial incident will have been a full Dangerous Goods Incident, hence all rods blocked.Assuming it’s this one below;
Realtime Trains | 6O07 0500 Colnbrook Baa Gbrf to West Ealing Loop | 05/04/2024
Real-time train running information for 6O07 0500 departure from Colnbrook Baa Gbrf to West Ealing Loop on 05/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Aviation fuel, albeit empties heading back to Grain. Appears to have come off in West Ealing Loop adjacent to the carriage sidings.
Could there have been EMUs stuck in the sidings that couldn’t provide the early ECS units into Paddington? That would have a knock-on effect for some hours.The loco doesn't look to be foul of the main line. Are all the cancellations simply because they haven't mended the track circuit interrupter and/or there are lots of people milling about and needing a track closure?
RTT shows only 1 ECS cancelled from the sidings today. I suspect it's just the reality of what happens when a railway running trains every 2 minutes on both lines has a problem.Could there have been EMUs stuck in the sidings that couldn’t provide the early ECS units into Paddington? That would have a knock-on effect for some hours.
Could there have been EMUs stuck in the sidings that couldn’t provide the early ECS units into Paddington? That would have a knock-on effect for some hours.
RTT shows only 1 ECS cancelled from the sidings today. I suspect it's just the reality of what happens when a railway running trains every 2 minutes on both lines has a problem.
Thanks both. I thought it worth asking, but that appears to be a bit of a minor issue.Off West Ealing overnight there’s only the 387 for the 0712 PAD-CDF and one of the 5 sets for HEx.
A second party more so in charge of such would also be good and considering they were onsite I was waiting for that before finding out about the news later on.Network Rail themselves have said so. I don't see why you'd need to wait for RAIB to confirm that - and if it's just a 'simple' SPAD with no underlying issues then it's unlikely they'll issue a report or statement anyway.
It still won't stop non-rail staff making a mountain etc...Cat A SPAD reported on late notice which would make sense as it’s come off at the trap points for the main aspect signal departing West Ealing
I never said it wouldn't be investigated, just it won't necessarily be by the RAIB. There are a fair number of SPADs/TPWS activations/derailments across the whole network annually and the vast majority get investigated by the TOC concerned who will notify RAIB of their findings if required.Bit concerning if a derailment doesn't need further investigation because one of the parties involved is pretty sure what happened.
Yes, and that’s exactly what the latest photo clearly shows. You can’t rely on NR PR people knowing the difference between a wheel and an axle…Surely it's three axles (six wheels)?
Cat A SPAD reported on late notice which would make sense as it’s come off at the trap points for the main aspect signal departing West Ealing
Could there have been EMUs stuck in the sidings that couldn’t provide the early ECS units into Paddington? That would have a knock-on effect for some hours.
simplified for general public understanding ?Yes, and that’s exactly what the latest photo clearly shows. You can’t rely on NR PR people knowing the difference between a wheel and an axle…
Oversimplified? I mean how many people won’t understand the concept of wheels on either side of any vehicles, from cars to buses to trains. If someone mentions bikes I’ll scream…simplified for general public understanding ?
Just saying "six wheels" instead would be simple and also correct!simplified for general public understanding ?
That's 66721 (white, with a section of London Underground map. One side has the 1933 version; the other has the 2013 version).6Z07 is in the background with 66734 having recovered the tankers
It'll take the RAIB about a year to release the report. What happened will be known a lot sooner than that, and if it was a SPaD, it will likely be known almost immediately.We will see what the RAIB says.
Raib were notified but did not attend.They would have been notified under the RAIB notification schedule but contrary to popular belief, the RAIB do not investigate nor produce a report for every single incident.
This is a derailment following a SPAD where all infrastructure and other equipment worked as intended, there won't be a RAIB specific report.
RAIB on site but assessment hasn't been yet carried out.
?Raib were notified but did not attend.
Yes, it is - three wheels derailing would be quite a sight!Surely it's three axles (six wheels)?
But if it's got aviation fuel tankers on it and you don't know they're empty, better assume they're full than assume they're not and they blow up!Yes, it is - three wheels derailing would be quite a sight!
Who described it as a "dangerous goods train"? If it was empty tanks as mentioned up-thread, it isn't dangerous (at least in terms of its cargo).
Internally we were told they did attend so pretty much confused myself.
From my understanding is they did not attend, they were provided with pictures and information. Recovery of the wagons was granted very quickly.
Who described it as a "dangerous goods train"? If it was empty tanks as mentioned up-thread, it isn't dangerous (at least in terms of its cargo).
Yes, it is - three wheels derailing would be quite a sight!
Who described it as a "dangerous goods train"? If it was empty tanks as mentioned up-thread, it isn't dangerous (at least in terms of its cargo).
As above, there is still vapour and liquid remnants in the tanks. It is still dangerous goods and still requires the necessary action following such incidents.Who described it as a "dangerous goods train"? If it was empty tanks as mentioned up-thread, it isn't dangerous (at least in terms of its cargo).
They would have been notified under the RAIB notification schedule but contrary to popular belief, the RAIB do not investigate nor produce a report for every single incident.
This is a derailment following a SPAD where all infrastructure and other equipment worked as intended, there won't be a RAIB specific report.
Whereas with this accident at nearly the same place, the cause was track-related and it's evident that they gathered significant evidence from a site visit: R192017_171213_East_Somerset_JunctionThe principal sources of evidence were:
l recordings of voice communications between the driver and signaller and the driver and controller;
l on-train data recorder output from the leading locomotive of train 7A91;
l interviews with key witnesses;
l meetings with Network Rail and EWS staff;
l personal/competence records for key witnesses;
l documentation and procedures covering the management of signalling failures affecting single lines;
l documentation describing the competence management arrangements for signallers and controllers;
l documentation covering rostering arrangements at Westbury Power Signal Box and local working instructions at the same location;
l the ‘Fatigue and Risk Index’ available from the Health & Safety Executive website1; and
l a report commissioned by the RAIB from specialists in sleep patterns and fatigue.
39 Examination of the track components after the derailment on 20 March 2017, revealed that chairscrews on the right-hand rail had failed to secure the rail, either because they had snapped or because they had been pulled out of their timber bearers (figure 6).
Have a read of the accident report on the TWA 800 crash in 1996, which will explain clearly the dangers of very small quantities of aviation fuel and the presence of relatively large amounts of vapour.Who described it as a "dangerous goods train"? If it was empty tanks as mentioned up-thread, it isn't dangerous (at least in terms of its cargo).