Different Driver Depot, Route and Traction cards

[craigybagel]

Hi mate sorry yes Preston don’t sign Whifflet but Glasgow do. I’ll list the full route cards for Preston and Glasgow depots below:

Preston
Traction:
397,802

Routes:
Preston to Manchester Airport via Chorley + Chat Moss
Preston to Liverpool Lime Street via St Helens Central
Preston to Glasgow Central via Oxenholme
Carstairs Jcn to Edinburgh Waverley
Law Jcn to Udingston Jcn via Holytown




Glasgow Central
(Glasgow is split into two main links. East and West)

All drivers sign 397, 802

West link drivers sign:

Glasgow Central to Preston via Oxenholme
Carstairs Jcn to Edinburgh Waverley
Edinburgh Waverley to Craigentinny Depot
Law Jcn to Udingston Jcn via Holytown
Mossend East Jcn to Rutherglen East Jcn via Whifflet
Carstairs North Curve



East link drivers sign:

All routes that west link drivers sign plus - Edinburgh Waverley to Newcastle via Berwick-Upon-Tweed


A small handful of drivers across both links sign:

Holytown to Midcalder Jcn via Shotts



I hope this is okay for you mate? I know you usually don’t include depots, but for the West Link drivers Craigentinny is considered as a route in of itself as it means they have to sign the east side of Waverley and then the route to the depot of course. So probably worth including. Preston drivers only sign the west side of Waverley.

Thanks very much, it's perfect and I'll get it updated. And yes, as you say I don't normally include depots unless they're located so far away from a route already signed that it constitutes it's own knowledge, which is definitely the case here.

 

[Anvil1984]

Just for updates, maybe you could change Northern Newcastle to signing Newcastle to Ashington and the diversionary / ECS Morpeth to Bedlington (both most links) as the lines now in service

Same in the guards thread with both Newcastle / Ashington guards signing Newcastle to Ashington ( it sure about the diversionary though as no booked jobs for them)

 

[craigybagel]

For northern @ Blackpool North.

Ex FNW (ex northern) now sign Blackburn to Horrocksford Junction (Clitheroe)

Currently link dependant whilst route learning takes place for the whole link.

It feels like every year there's something different going on with Blackpool and working north of Blackburn. I'll add it back in!

Just for updates, maybe you could change Northern Newcastle to signing Newcastle to Ashington and the diversionary / ECS Morpeth to Bedlington (both most links) as the lines now in service

Same in the guards thread with both Newcastle / Ashington guards signing Newcastle to Ashington ( it sure about the diversionary though as no booked jobs for them)

Thanks yes, definitely time for that to be updated.

 

[driver9000]

Hi mate sorry yes Preston don’t sign Whifflet but Glasgow do. I’ll list the full route cards for Preston and Glasgow depots below:

Preston
Traction:
397,802

Routes:
Preston to Manchester Airport via Chorley + Chat Moss
Preston to Liverpool Lime Street via St Helens Central
Preston to Glasgow Central via Oxenholme
Carstairs Jcn to Edinburgh Waverley
Law Jcn to Udingston Jcn via Holytown

Just to clarify, Preston TPE Drivers don't sign via Holytown and never have done. The only route available to Glasgow for Preston Drivers is the main line.

Just for clarity, do you mean that Preston drivers don't sign Whifflet any more, but Glasgow still do? Since Real Time Trains suggests they're still running that way.

Preston TPE Drivers never signed Whifflet and have never signed any diversions in the Glasgow area.

 

[JDAWC]

Just to clarify, Preston TPE Drivers don't sign via Holytown and never have done. The only route available to Glasgow for Preston Drivers is the main line.



Preston TPE Drivers never signed Whifflet and have never signed any diversions in the Glasgow area.

Ahh I never realised you guys didn’t sign Holytown, just assumed! I should really know that as well

 

[PaulMac]

Sorry to ask such an elementary question, but what’s a link?

 

[driver9000]

Sorry to ask such an elementary question, but what’s a link?

Rosters are known as links.

 

[PaulMac]

Rosters are known as links.

Thanks. And ‘to sign’ a line means to be qualified on it?

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Thanks. And ‘to sign’ a line means to be qualified on it?

That’s correct. The same also applies to traction.

 

[craigybagel]

Just to clarify, Preston TPE Drivers don't sign via Holytown and never have done. The only route available to Glasgow for Preston Drivers is the main line.



Preston TPE Drivers never signed Whifflet and have never signed any diversions in the Glasgow area.

Thanks, I'll get it updated

Sorry to ask such an elementary question, but what’s a link?

Rosters are known as links.

At some depots, there isn't enough work on a particular route or traction to keep all of the drivers competent, or to justify the expense of training. In these cases, only some drivers get that training, and in order to ensure the work is covered, the drivers are divided into different links and the work will only feature in links that include qualified drivers for that work.

At some depots it's done on seniority - if the work is seen as being "better" (usually things like longer distance/less stops, or work with guards rather than DOO), or more challenging (things like unusual rolling stock or signalling) it will be the more senior drivers getting to do it. At others, the links are as equal as possible and drivers get allocated to whichever link has a vacancy. As always with the railway, there's different ways of doing it everywhere. I've tried to include details where I can without making the list too exhaustive, but I don't have much info to hand.

As a rule of thumb, if you're new to a depot then assume that unless told otherwise you'll only be learning the stuff that everyone learns, and treat anything else as a bonus (or in the case of 153s, a curse )

 

[JDAWC]

Some info on Northern at Piccadilly

150,156,195,323,331 (everyone signs all traction regardless of link)

Drivers sign core routes + the routes in their link. Sheffield is NOT a core route as suggested previously on this thread.

CORE ROUTES EVERYONE SIGNS
Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield
Manchester Piccadilly to Rose Hill
Manchester Piccadilly to New Mills
Manchester Piccadilly to Hazel Grove
Manchester Oxford Road to Crewe via Stockport + Styal
Manchester Piccadilly to Stoke-On-Trent

LINK 1
Manchester Oxford Road to Preston via Chorley + Golborne Jcn(Wigan NW)
Manchester Piccadilly to Chester via Altrincham
Manchester Piccadilly to Newton Heath Depot via Phillips Park
Crewe to Kidsgrove via Alsager

LINK 2
Manchester Oxford Road to Liverpool Lime Street via Warrington Central
Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield via New Mills + Hazel Grove

LINK 3
Manchester Piccadilly to Buxton
Manchester Piccadilly to Chester via Altrincham
Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield via New Mills + Hazel Grove

 

[12LDA28C]

Chiltern drivers based at Aylesbury haven't signed Birmingham Snow Hill for a few years now - they only sign as far as Moor Street.

 

[O'Sionnach]

GWR drivers - please note that ex-HSS is infilled for completeness, where there is a GWR depot and a HSS depot any new drivers will become GWR and that route and traction is most relevant

Swansea:
Swansea to London via Hullavington
Cardiff to Bridgend via VoG
Newport to Swindon via Gloucester
Bristol to Swindon via Box

800, 2+4HST, 16x

Bristol GWR:
Bristol TM-Severn Beach
Bristol TM-Taunton
Bristol TM-Cardiff Central
Bristol TM-Gloucester
Bristol TM-Porstmouth Harbour
Bristol TM-Weymouth
Bristol TM-Reading via Box
Bristol PW-Swindon via Hullavington
St Phillips Marsh depot
Stoke Gifford depot

800, 2+4HST, 16x, 158, 150

Bristol HSS:
Bristol TM-London Paddington
Bristol TM-Exeter St David's
Bristol TM-Hereford via Gloucester
Newport-Swindon via Gloucester
Newport to Hereford via Abergavenny
Didcot-Hereford via North Cotswolds
Bristol TM-Swansea
Reading-Taunton via Berks+Hangs
Stoke Gifford depot

800, 2+4HST

Gloucester:
Gloucester-Bristol TM
Gloucester-Cardiff via Lydney
Bristol TM-Westbury
Bristol TM-Taunton
Bristol TM-Cardiff Central
Gloucester-Swindon
Westbury-Swindon via Melksham
Gloucester-Great Malvern
Bristol TM-Reading via Box
Bristol PW-Swindon via Hullavington

800, 2+4HST, 16x, 158, 150

Westbury:
Westbury-Swindon via Melksham
Westbury-Portsmouth Harbour
Westbury-Weymouth
Westbury-Bristol TM
Bristol TM-Cardiff Central
Bristol TM-Weston-Super-Mare

16x, 158, 150

Exeter GWR
Exeter SD-Barnstable
Exeter SD-Exmouth
Exeter SD-Paignton
Exeter SD-Bristol TM
Bristol TM-Cardiff Central
Bristol TM-Bristol Parkway
Exeter SD-Plymouth
Plymouth-Penzance
Exeter depot
Possible new routes towards London, lost track of the 800 training in the west country

800, 2+4HST, 16x, 158, 150

Par:
Par-Penzance
Par-Plymouth
Par-Newqauy
Liskeard-Looe
Truro-Falmouth
St Erth-St Ives
Laira depot
Drivers may also sign Exeter, unsure of training again

2+4, 158, 150

Penzance GWR:
Penzance-Plymouth
Plymouth-Exeter SD
St Erth-St Ives
Truro-Falmouth

800, 2+4HST, 158, 150

HSS at Penzance same as above but no Falmouth. May not sign 158s either.

Unsure on the rest. Can't remember Plymouth and didn't deal with the East region

 

[Pokelet]

I don't believe Bristol have any booked work via Abergavenny to Hereford anymore, the early morning ECS now runs via Gloucester and to Great Malvern only so they might have lost Hereford all together.

 

[driverd]

I may have missed the memo a long time ago, but do Redhill Southern drivers no longer sign across to Reading and Class 16x units?

 

[stadler]

I may have missed the memo a long time ago, but do Redhill Southern drivers no longer sign across to Reading and Class 16x units?

No not anymore. That arrangement ended in March 2023 two years ago. Southern drivers no longer sign it. It is worked solely by GWR drivers now.

 

[driverd]

No not anymore. That arrangement ended in March 2023 two years ago. Southern drivers no longer sign it. It is worked solely by GWR drivers now.

Is it a case of taxis across from Reading in the morning or have they ceased stabling at Redhill as well?

 

[JDAWC]

Is it a case of taxis across from Reading in the morning or have they ceased stabling at Redhill as well?

There's one stabler at Redhill. Stables at 1.30am and comes off 04.34am. At my TOC we would usually use a nightshift driver for this kind of move but I can't speak for GWR, so it may be taxis in place.

 

[class ep-09]

I don't believe Bristol have any booked work via Abergavenny to Hereford anymore, the early morning ECS now runs via Gloucester and to Great Malvern only so they might have lost Hereford all together.

That is correct .
From May TT Bristol won’t sign anything north of Gloucester ( to Worcester / Gt Malvern) and are loosing rest of North Cots line route knowledge.
Only Worcester and Oxford will be going to Hereford and Gloucester drivers to Gt Malvern.

 

[craigybagel]

I don't believe Bristol have any booked work via Abergavenny to Hereford anymore, the early morning ECS now runs via Gloucester and to Great Malvern only so they might have lost Hereford all together.

That is correct .
From May TT Bristol won’t sign anything north of Gloucester ( to Worcester / Gt Malvern) and are loosing rest of North Cots line route knowledge.
Only Worcester and Oxford will be going to Hereford and Gloucester drivers to Gt Malvern.

I deleted Newport - Hereford via Abergavenny a while ago. I've no idea why someone quoted an old post without adding any context as far as I can tell.

Thanks for the other news about Bristol, I shall get that updated come timetable change. My apologies for the lack of updates in general lately; I do have a few to add in at some point, but timetable change season is rather busy in my actual life as well as what I do here

 

[westcoaster]

There's one stabler at Redhill. Stables at 1.30am and comes off 04.34am. At my TOC we would usually use a nightshift driver for this kind of move but I can't speak for GWR, so it may be taxis in place.

Believe it is now a Reading driver night turn.

 

[craigybagel]

I've gone through and updated everything to the best of my knowledge. As well as the publicly posted things shown below, I've also had private messages regarding Scotrail Perth and Avanti Crewe, so those depots have been updated, along with doing some general tidying up.

Some info on Northern at Piccadilly

150,156,195,323,331 (everyone signs all traction regardless of link)

Drivers sign core routes + the routes in their link. Sheffield is NOT a core route as suggested previously on this thread.

CORE ROUTES EVERYONE SIGNS
Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield
Manchester Piccadilly to Rose Hill
Manchester Piccadilly to New Mills
Manchester Piccadilly to Hazel Grove
Manchester Oxford Road to Crewe via Stockport + Styal
Manchester Piccadilly to Stoke-On-Trent

LINK 1
Manchester Oxford Road to Preston via Chorley + Golborne Jcn(Wigan NW)
Manchester Piccadilly to Chester via Altrincham
Manchester Piccadilly to Newton Heath Depot via Phillips Park
Crewe to Kidsgrove via Alsager

LINK 2
Manchester Oxford Road to Liverpool Lime Street via Warrington Central
Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield via New Mills + Hazel Grove

LINK 3
Manchester Piccadilly to Buxton
Manchester Piccadilly to Chester via Altrincham
Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield via New Mills + Hazel Grove

Thank you for this very thorough break down, I've added it all in.

Chiltern drivers based at Aylesbury haven't signed Birmingham Snow Hill for a few years now - they only sign as far as Moor Street.

Thanks, updated

That is correct .
From May TT Bristol won’t sign anything north of Gloucester ( to Worcester / Gt Malvern) and are loosing rest of North Cots line route knowledge.
Only Worcester and Oxford will be going to Hereford and Gloucester drivers to Gt Malvern.

Thanks, will take it out after the TT change.

As always, thanks to all who help keep this thread going - and please let me know either publicly or privately if you become aware of any mistakes, or of upcoming changes with the next new timetable.

 

[JDAWC]

Believe it is now a Reading driver night turn.

I thought this would be the case.

 

[foggy69]

Redhill

Traction:
377, 387 Link 1 only
Routes:
Redhill - Reigate
Redhill - London Bridge and London Victoria
Redhill - Three Bridges
Purley - Caterham

Link 1
Three Bridges - Bognor via Horsham
Three Bridges - Ore

Link 2
Norwood Junction - Sutton
Redhill - Tonbridge
Purley - Tattenham Corner
London Victoria - West Croydon via Crystal Palace

Eastbourne
Traction
Add 387

Three Bridges
Traction
Add 387

 

[pompeyfan]

Bristol Temple Meads GWR
Traction:
80x,150,158,16x
Routes:
Bristol TM - Severn Beach
Bristol TM - Taunton
Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
Bristol TM - Gloucester
Bristol TM - Westbury - Weymouth
Bristol TM - London Paddington via Box
Bristol PW - Swindon via Hullavington
Some routes are link dependent

Bristol Temple Meads HSS
Traction:
80x
Routes
Bristol TM - London Paddington
Bristol TM - Exeter St David's
Bristol TM - Hereford via Gloucester
Newport - Swindon via Gloucester
Bristol TM - Swansea
Reading - Taunton via Berks+Hants

Exeter St Davids HSS
Traction:
150,80x,57
Routes:
Exeter - Paddington via Westbury , Bristol TM and Bristol Parkway. Also via Yeovil
Exeter - Penzance
Exeter - Exmouth
Newton Abbott - Paignton

Exeter St Davids GWR
Traction:
80x,150,158,16x. 175 training to start soon. Link dependant learning 57
Routes:
Exeter SD - Barnstable
Crediton - Okehampton
Exeter SD - Exmouth
Exeter SD - Paignton
Exeter SD - Bristol TM
Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
Bristol TM - Bristol Parkway
Exeter SD - Plymouth
Plymouth - Penzance
Taunton - London Paddington (currently direct, soon learning via Box)
Some Routes are link dependent

Hi,

A couple of questions from me regarding the above.

Firstly, I thought Bristol drivers signed Westbury to Portsmouth Harbour via Southampton Central, could someone confirm please?

Secondly, Exeter St David’s HSS link is showing Exeter - Castle Cary via Yeovil but don’t sign 158s, however the GWR link sign the traction but not the route, how is the evening 2L92 Axminster train run (it usually proceeds to Castle Cary as a route refresh), I assume the GWR link now sign to Castle Cary? Or the HSS link sign 158s?

Finally, one of the links at Exeter must sign 159s for the daily fueling move.

 

[tiptoptaff]

Hi,

A couple of questions from me regarding the above.

Firstly, I thought Bristol drivers signed Westbury to Portsmouth Harbour via Southampton Central, could someone confirm please?

Secondly, Exeter St David’s HSS link is showing Exeter - Castle Cary via Yeovil but don’t sign 158s, however the GWR link sign the traction but not the route, how is the evening 2L92 Axminster train run (it usually proceeds to Castle Cary as a route refresh), I assume the GWR link now sign to Castle Cary? Or the HSS link sign 158s?

Finally, one of the links at Exeter must sign 159s for the daily fueling move.

Bristol lost Pompey several years ago.

Not sure but can find out.

158/9 is identical and GWR treat it as sign one sign both (or did when I was there)

 

[pompeyfan]

Barnham
Traction:
377,387
Routes:
Portsmouth Harbour - Brighton
Bognor Branch
Littlehampton Branch
Barnham - London Victoria via Hove and Horsham, via Redhill & Quarry line
London Bridge low level
Barnham - Southampton (link 1 only)

Barnham drivers also sign via Eastleigh

Bristol lost Pompey several years ago.

Not sure but can find out.

158/9 is identical and GWR treat it as sign one sign both (or did when I was there)

I didn’t realise Bristol didn’t sign Portsmouth, I’m not sure how there’s crews that don’t have route knowledge via Chandlers Ford when there are issues then.

I’m pretty sure 158s are now treated as separate to 159s now their use by GWR has all but stopped other than the fuel moves.