Thanks for helping post the link and quote
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The SMMT (Society of motor manufacturers and traders) has just published latest sales figuresJust thought I'd post an update on EV numbers from ZAP Map.
Straight BEV numbers are now over the 1 million mark with over 600k PHEV's now on the road. Bev's are now over 3% of cars on the road.
Sorry about lack of Quotes and link. I'm still struggling with broken fingers so unable to copy them across at moment .
Going to be interesting to see how the zero emission vehicle mandate impacts sales. This year 22% of cars sold by manufacturers will need to be electric which is going to leave some manufacturers exposed and they will get fined if they miss target. It progressively increases to 80% of new cars to be zero emission by 2030.The SMMT (Society of motor manufacturers and traders) has just published latest sales figures
February is 17.7% BEV, 7.2% PHEV of new car sales
hybrids 12.7%, petrol 56.6%, diesel just 5.9%
So far in 2024 (Jan + Feb) 35,926 BEV, 18,042 PHEV sold
March sales usually lot higher as some wait for new registration plate
Car Registrations
SMMT is the country’s primary source of data on the motor industry. Click here for the SMMT car registrations data published monthlywww.smmt.co.uk
I've seen a couple of Diamond (Bee Network)'s new Enviro 200s which I'm pretty sure are just diesel.every 24 plated vehicle I have seen so far has been a BEV.
I'm going to buy a hybrid next and ride my electric bicycle whenever i can.I'm going to be one of those statistics next time round. We took delivery of a Kia Niro EV on March 1st last week. So far so excellent. We're moving to Ovo Charge Anytime soon, where EV charging costs 7p per kWh. We're already averaging 3.3 miles per kWh and I expect it to do better than that outside of winter. Even at that 3.3 miles, the fuel cost per 100 miles will be in the region of £2.20. At 40 mpg our ICE car was costing nearly £16 per 100 miles. Over the course of the car's 7 year warranty (say 80,000 miles) that fuel saving at today's prices is £11.5k. Yes the car itself was expensive at £40k, and I get that we're lucky to be in the position of affording it, but it's the right car for us at this point in time.
New and used car prices are clearly going to continue to fall, but we had to buy now as the previous car was at the end of its lease. The finance deal made buying new as affordable as buying nearly new at a discount but with a bank loan.
Just like consumer electronics, you know that the minute you buy something, the next new innovation will be launched the next month at a reduced price. Sometimes you have to take the leap because it's the most appropriate product at the most appropriate time.
What are your needs? For short journeys, your electric bike is a great choice but if your car is exclusively for longer journeys (and for the occasional transporting of sofa, TVs, and whatnot) then a hybrid might end up doing very little on electric.I'm going to buy a hybrid next and ride my electric bicycle whenever i can.
I work part time for the railway and part time for the London underground so transport is free.What are your needs? For short journeys, your electric bike is the best but if your car is exclusively for longer journeys (and for the occasional transporting of sofa, TVs, and whatnot) then a hybrid might be a poor choice.
Hybrids are quite a lot heavier than normal cars, they work if you do your day-to-day driving in them and occasional long journeys as out of your total mileage a lot is electric.
If you are using another means (e.g bike) for shorter journeys and longer journeys are significantly longer than the battery range then the electric mileage might be quite low. Plug-in hybrids which do little on electric can be worse than just a basic petrol as they use fuel dragging around a heavy, empty battery.
Sounds like the bike is a great option for you.I work part time for the railway and part time for the London underground so transport is free.
I got an electric bicycle through the cycle2work scheme so I only drive to work when the weather is bad.
From driving 15,000 - 20,000 miles a year I now only drive 1000 -3000 miles a year.
No EV requires 2 services in a year if only doing 5,000 miles.Looking at ZapMap to calculate the costs for the Ora, it works out (based on a reported average of 174 miles from the 48kWh battery) at 2.1p per mile (based on home charging at 7.5p kWh on a smart tariff designed for EVs). £105 for the year, or £8.75 a month. Then consider you need to do two services, which for many EVs is around £50-60 because they need to do barely anything.
No EV requires 2 services in a year if only doing 5,000 miles.
Our Niro EV service interval is every 2 years/20,000 miles. Our Tesla service interval is never, just test the brake fluid every 2 years.
I work part time for the railway and part time for the London underground so transport is free.
I got an electric bicycle through the cycle2work scheme so I only drive to work when the weather is bad.
From driving 15,000 - 20,000 miles a year I now only drive 1000 -3000 miles a year.
REWRITING THE EV RULEBOOK: ALL-NEW DACIA SPRING PRICED FROM JUST £14,995 It’s official! The All-New Dacia Spring is the most affordable new electric car in the UK, priced from just £14,995 on-the-road
It’s thousands of pounds less than its nearest rival and one of the UK’s top 10 most affordable cars, regardless of powertrain
The UK line up is available with the Expression and Extreme trim levels
Standard specification includes 7-inch digital instrument cluster, cruise control, manual air conditioning, rear parking sensors, Media Control system with USB port, electric front windows and remote central locking
Spring offers a usable range of 137 miles (WLTP mixed cycle) or 186 miles* (WLTP urban cycle), with the compact 26.8 kWh battery able to be charged from 20% to 100% in four hours using a 7kW wall box
Available to pre-order now by placing a £99 deposit, via www.dacia.co.uk
Those that pre-order can choose from a complimentary £250 charge pass or the same amount towards accessories or a home charger
Alright as a runabout I guess. That will have between 75 and 100 miles range (100% to 0%, so knock at least 10% off those) in the real world if used on dual carriageway/motorway.Dacia Spring pricing announced. A proper car for under £15k OTR!
Many of the comments on this lengthy post have been around the need for small, affordable battery electric cars. Rather surprisingly, the Spring was the third best selling BEV in Europe for the whole of 2022 and 2023 . That's quite an achievement, so I would suggest it is a proper car - not all of us want a 3 tonne SUV with 350 miles of range and charging rates of 270kW (looking at you Porsche Taycan).I don't think it's a "proper car" really. It's essentially going back to the original Nissan Leaf sort of capability.
Well off people are not going to buy a Dacia!It's designed to be a second car urban runaround for well off people who would buy a brand new petrol for that purpose but go on long trips in the big family car.
For that use it'll be ideal. Much less so when sold second hand to a young person who would want to do long trips, though.
How many people on this thread run a 100% 2 car EV household? I do.Many of the comments on this lengthy post have been around the need for small, affordable battery electric cars. Rather surprisingly, the Spring was the third best selling BEV in Europe for the whole of 2022 and 2023 . That's quite an achievement, so I would suggest it is a proper car - not all of us want a 3 tonne SUV with 350 miles of range and charging rates of 270kW (looking at you Porsche Taycan).
It's not going to suit everyone, but for many, a smaller car, that rarely does long journeys and can easily charge at home is, based on the sales figures, exactly what people want.
On a per mile basis the size of the battery makes no difference to charging cost. The Spring will be expensive for an EV on a per mile cost because there's no heat pump or regenerative braking.It's absolutely perfect for a second car, but I'm surprised people think it wouldn't be ideal for an only car for the majority of motorists doing only 20-30 miles per day.
The small battery charges in around 4 hours at home, and because it's a small battery it's cheaper to charge too. And the specs claim up to 180 miles if used exclusively at low speed (20-40mph).
Whilst they sold quite well in Europe, the market has moved on in the last few years. I don't know why anybody would buy a Spring when they could buy a much more capable used vehicle, still with a decent amount of manufacturer warranty remaining, for the same sort of money.It does have regenerative braking. A heat pump is nice to have though, but we don't get as cold in the winter as a lot of other places.
Hopefully a bigger battery comes along, with faster charging (that seems like something they cut back a little too much on), but the point is that most people do 20-30 miles a day and don't need more. If they did, they may look at another car. There will be three spec levels, and there's no reason there couldn't be a higher spec model one day.
I'm only pointing out how perfect this car is for a LARGE number of people. I never set out to say everyone should get one and surely you could already see that you aren't the intended market. Indeed, I am not going to get one, nor do I sell them, nor do I get a commission for any that do sell or get paid as an influencer.
They are cars that show affordable city cars are coming - and this won't be the only one.
It does have regenerative braking. A heat pump is nice to have though, but we don't get as cold in the winter as a lot of other places.
Hopefully a bigger battery comes along, with faster charging (that seems like something they cut back a little too much on), but the point is that most people do 20-30 miles a day and don't need more. If they did, they may look at another car. There will be three spec levels, and there's no reason there couldn't be a higher spec model one day.
I'm only pointing out how perfect this car is for a LARGE number of people. I never set out to say everyone should get one and surely you could already see that you aren't the intended market. Indeed, I am not going to get one, nor do I sell them, nor do I get a commission for any that do sell or get paid as an influencer.
They are cars that show affordable city cars are coming - and this won't be the only one.
20-30 miles per working day is about average for someone doing 8,000 miles a year (about the average).
That's then about 60 miles per weekend, so unless you're not using for several weekends a year is unlikely that it'll be used for many 100+ mile trips.
Given that the average 50+ mile trips per person is about 6 (a trip being there and another trip back again) for a lot of people (even a fair number for whom it's their only car) a range of 100 miles is probably fine.
It depends.Surely if a car is almost exclusively doing city miles, at lower speeds, the range isn't going to drop to 100? That's likely why Dacia is claiming up to 180 for the expected usage because the 135 mile figure is WLTP - so considering faster speeds as part of the test.
The range will likely fall rapidly if you take the car on a motorway, but someone doing a lot of miles and higher speeds wouldn't buy a car with a small battery.
Nobody in their right mind would buy one when there are much better nearly new vehicles for the same money.
It'll be stupidly expensive to lease (vs other vehicles at similar price points) because the residual value will be horrific.Some people will simply not buy second hand cars though, and I expect the car will be stupidly cheap to lease.
I think a lot of people will buy the car, but obviously not those who will turn their nose up to the Dacia brand and be embarrassed to have one on their drive.
As for the 0-60, I'd be more interested in the 0-30mph speed TBH. It does sound like trying to build up speed on a motorway slip-road would be scary!