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Don Coffey

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Just working on one of Vinny’s adventures. He brought 70008 from UKRL at Loughborough back to Leeds Midland Road. It had been in for a 60th Anniversary repaint and was going to Leeds for an exam before going back into traffic. You’ll get to see inside UKRL and quite an interesting route back via the freight line at Treeton. That’s coming soon.70008 copy.jpg
 

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Sounds good, and it'll keep me going - I've now only got 4 more of your existing 106 videos still to watch... :)
 

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Thank you - and I'm hoping that by now you've had an approach from a TOC you haven't filmed with before which offers something very different from any other...?
If Don or anyone else needs any ideas for new and different videos, I'm sure that some of us will be happy to provide suggestions! :D
 

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Just working on one of Vinny’s adventures. He brought 70008 from UKRL at Loughborough back to Leeds Midland Road. It had been in for a 60th Anniversary repaint and was going to Leeds for an exam before going back into traffic. You’ll get to see inside UKRL and quite an interesting route back via the freight line at Treeton. That’s coming soon.View attachment 176630
I look forward to watching this. Thanks in advance.
 

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UKRL have approved the Loughborough to Leeds video and have sent us their best for the premier. We will go ahead on Tuesday the 1st (despite the date) at 20:00. You get to see inside the premises at Loughborough and some new to us routes.
 

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UKRL have approved the Loughborough to Leeds video and have sent us their best for the premier. We will go ahead on Tuesday the 1st (despite the date) at 20:00. You get to see inside the premises at Loughborough and some new to us routes.

Excellent, very much looking forward to this!
 

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Just working on one of Vinny’s adventures. He brought 70008 from UKRL at Loughborough back to Leeds Midland Road. It had been in for a 60th Anniversary repaint and was going to Leeds for an exam before going back into traffic. You’ll get to see inside UKRL and quite an interesting route back via the freight line at Treeton. That’s coming soon.View attachment 176630
I've downloaded this video and added it to my collection. Many thanks for this, particularly as it uniquely shows the route between Beighton Junction and Masborough.
 

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Super epic stuff!

Golly, what a route. Convoluted as a railtour...

Very much appreciate the view of the Beighton to Masborough stretch. I've done the line physically but never found a cab video of it and I've been wanting one for ages. Many thanks for that indeed! But such a shame that so much of the parallel trackage has been irrationalised away since the time I remember... indeed the same applies to most of the Midland and Midland/GC-side-by-side parts of the route. So much of it looks just barren these days.

I must take exception to your comment about "rejoining the Midland proper" at Masborough. The line we've just come up is the "Midland proper" - Stephenson's original 1840 Old Road that bypassed Sheffield to avoid the gradients. The line we join at Masborough is the Sheffield & Rotherham, built because Sheffield didn't want to be bypassed, which didn't go beyond Sheffield until the Midland's New Road up and over the top through Bradway tunnel opened in 1870.

Of course with all this Midlandery I feel compelled once again to bewail the loss of the Crudworth section of the route. Amazingly, there is an old Super 8 cine film from the cab of a Peak that covers a good deal of the mileage from Swinton-odd to Crudworth on youtube; it looks awful as it stands but it comes up beautifully with an auto white balance filter. We also have Oakenshaw to Monk Bretton from the evilly flatulent cab of a 31. I fear Oakenshaw to Goose Hill may be a lost cause though...

The super cutting on the approach to Doncaster was looking its best in this video - the colours are positively lysergic. Nice bonus also to have the cab window opened in Alfreton tunnel so we get to hear the sound reverberating off the walls - pity it sounds like a washing machine revving up on spin though!
 

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. . . .

Of course with all this Midlandery I feel compelled once again to bewail the loss of the Crudworth section of the route. Amazingly, there is an old Super 8 cine film from the cab of a Peak that covers a good deal of the mileage from Swinton-odd to Crudworth on youtube; it looks awful as it stands but it comes up beautifully with an auto white balance filter. We also have Oakenshaw to Monk Bretton from the evilly flatulent cab of a 31. I fear Oakenshaw to Goose Hill may be a lost cause though...
Have you a link or a name for that Swinton to Cudworth video? I've never stumbled across that, let alone watched it.

Incidentally, a few years ago in a thread in this forum some-one who knows the area posted that the Goose Hill to Cudworth route was still intact and could be re-opened. I wonder if that is still true.
 

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Incidentally, a few years ago in a thread in this forum some-one who knows the area posted that the Goose Hill to Cudworth route was still intact and could be re-opened. I wonder if that is still true.
"Intact" insofar as "trackbed not built on", yes (apart from some kind of outdoor "scarefest" activity thing).

But it's ripped up, abandoned to nature and on google maps some of it is underwater! (view westwards from Warmfield Lane bridge) So I suspect it re-opening would be the same as starting from scratch on a new-build line.
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Have you a link or a name for that Swinton to Cudworth video? I've never stumbled across that, let alone watched it.

The original link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5z9lrtox0w and it looks like it still works.

My fettled version (along with the others) can be downloaded by a torrent client that can handle DHT:

Info hash v1: 07c592143beb2ebc6fb24d9a5c15dcb5b0f90663
Info hash v2: 2bb8e4999d09fb007a56a1bad23b2cb7d4af42244e69d879d78fc761ef8b20f8
Magnet link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:07c592143beb2eb...1ef8b20f8&dn=midland-route-wath-to-goose-hill

(Hoping the magnet link does not cause the forum software to get its knickers in a twist...)
(Well, it does a bit... it's not supposed to come out with "http://" on the beginning, nor a slash instead of a colon after "magnet". Dunno what to do to stop that, argh.)

Incidentally, a few years ago in a thread in this forum some-one who knows the area posted that the Goose Hill to Cudworth route was still intact and could be re-opened. I wonder if that is still true.

Basically, yes, although as jfowkes points out someone needs to get Dyno-Rod to have a look at the drains on the section south from Goose Hill that doesn't still have tracks on it. I don't consider that as much of a problem since it's more or less normal for a route that's being reopened to need the formation extensively rebuilt; the important point is that the route is still all there and doesn't need anything knocking down or relocating before you can start rebuilding it.

The difficulties are further to the south. For a start, they never fixed the slip at Haw Park Lane where the viaduct that was partly buried inside the widened embankment without filling the voids when the route was widened to four tracks finally collapsed. (Someone in the cab points out the location in one of the abovementioned videos, but there's not a lot to see.) The new steel bridge carrying the two new tracks was unaffected, but personally after all this time I would consider it important to determine whether or not there has been any further lateral movement of the collapse zone that nobody has bothered to care about for a line speed of 15mph.

The A628 has cut through the embankment about 500m south of the divergence of the line to Monk Bretton, but I don't immediately see anything too impossible about putting a bridge in.

The A6195 has eaten about 500m of the trackbed just beyond where they put the hairpin curve in to go round the jolly 'orner to Grimethorpe colliery. As always this is an awkwardness, but probably less so than many such; it rather depends on how closely the adjacent soggy bits constrain the options, I think.

Someone appears to have dug a pond on the trackbed at Millhouses and a few encroaching buildings have appeared there, but it is only a handful of buildings that would need to be bought up and knocked down, so I can't see it being more than a rather small and unimportant percentage of the cost of reopening the route in total.

The main awkwardness is what they have done with the old Manvers Main site, ie. ruined it. An industrial estate has gone splat across the trackbed in such a way as to leave no room to reconnect to the extant railway without a screechingly slow curve. By bestriding the site with a viaduct it would be possible to leave the current units partly intact, but even so a goodly chunk of them (maybe 40%-odd) would still have to be wholly or partly demolished where they cannot be bestridden. Nevertheless, I am pretty sure that some local planning bodies have looked not unfavourably on the idea of doing this; but I think that having got that far the idea was then pushed onto the ever-growing stack of good ideas that have been set aside "until we see what HS2 does" (excrement be upon its name).

Still, I think this is rapidly getting more appropriate for "Speculative Discussion" than for the current thread!
 

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The original link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5z9lrtox0w and it looks like it still works.

My fettled version (along with the others) can be downloaded by a torrent client that can handle DHT:

Info hash v1: 07c592143beb2ebc6fb24d9a5c15dcb5b0f90663
Info hash v2: 2bb8e4999d09fb007a56a1bad23b2cb7d4af42244e69d879d78fc761ef8b20f8
Magnet link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:07c592143beb2eb...1ef8b20f8&dn=midland-route-wath-to-goose-hill

(Hoping the magnet link does not cause the forum software to get its knickers in a twist...)
(Well, it does a bit... it's not supposed to come out with "http://" on the beginning, nor a slash instead of a colon after "magnet". Dunno what to do to stop that, argh.)



Basically, yes, although as jfowkes points out someone needs to get Dyno-Rod to have a look at the drains on the section south from Goose Hill that doesn't still have tracks on it. I don't consider that as much of a problem since it's more or less normal for a route that's being reopened to need the formation extensively rebuilt; the important point is that the route is still all there and doesn't need anything knocking down or relocating before you can start rebuilding it.

The difficulties are further to the south. For a start, they never fixed the slip at Haw Park Lane where the viaduct that was partly buried inside the widened embankment without filling the voids when the route was widened to four tracks finally collapsed. (Someone in the cab points out the location in one of the abovementioned videos, but there's not a lot to see.) The new steel bridge carrying the two new tracks was unaffected, but personally after all this time I would consider it important to determine whether or not there has been any further lateral movement of the collapse zone that nobody has bothered to care about for a line speed of 15mph.

The A628 has cut through the embankment about 500m south of the divergence of the line to Monk Bretton, but I don't immediately see anything too impossible about putting a bridge in.

The A6195 has eaten about 500m of the trackbed just beyond where they put the hairpin curve in to go round the jolly 'orner to Grimethorpe colliery. As always this is an awkwardness, but probably less so than many such; it rather depends on how closely the adjacent soggy bits constrain the options, I think.

Someone appears to have dug a pond on the trackbed at Millhouses and a few encroaching buildings have appeared there, but it is only a handful of buildings that would need to be bought up and knocked down, so I can't see it being more than a rather small and unimportant percentage of the cost of reopening the route in total.

The main awkwardness is what they have done with the old Manvers Main site, ie. ruined it. An industrial estate has gone splat across the trackbed in such a way as to leave no room to reconnect to the extant railway without a screechingly slow curve. By bestriding the site with a viaduct it would be possible to leave the current units partly intact, but even so a goodly chunk of them (maybe 40%-odd) would still have to be wholly or partly demolished where they cannot be bestridden. Nevertheless, I am pretty sure that some local planning bodies have looked not unfavourably on the idea of doing this; but I think that having got that far the idea was then pushed onto the ever-growing stack of good ideas that have been set aside "until we see what HS2 does" (excrement be upon its name).

Still, I think this is rapidly getting more appropriate for "Speculative Discussion" than for the current thread!
Gentlemen, thank you both. I do have that Wath to Cudworth video. I didn't recognise the name. I'll watch it again this afternoon.
 

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Thanks for the link. :smile:
Without me having to watch over five hours, would you summarise please the Don Coffey inspiration, as opposed to it being like any other cab ride video?
It's in pretty much the same style in that it's a full, uninterrupted run with just the natural train noises.

The station names, including closed ones, are displayed in text at the bottom of the screen, ditto the names and lengths of viaducts and tunnels. Lines joining and leaving are also annotated, as are the names of rivers crossed.

There is also data given on the lines used; length, years built, maximum gradients, that sort of thing in a "data panel" type box in the top corner of teh screen when the train switches from one line to another. The speed limits are displayed whenever they change.

What is different is that it doesn't have the extra detail and chat that Don puts in his captions, but other than that - the approach is pretty much identical.

...and yes, I did watch the whole thing in one go. :)

Rather surprisingly, YouTube did not put a single advert up in the whole of that time! :D
 

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It's in pretty much the same style in that it's a full, uninterrupted run with just the natural train noises.

The station names, including closed ones, are displayed in text at the bottom of the screen, ditto the names and lengths of viaducts and tunnels. Lines joining and leaving are also annotated, as are the names of rivers crossed.

There is also data given on the lines used; length, years built, maximum gradients, that sort of thing in a "data panel" type box in the top corner of teh screen when the train switches from one line to another. The speed limits are displayed whenever they change.

And they've also been doing it longer than Don has, maybe the French are indeed the inspiration? ;)

I do quite like the ones overseas but my main interest is still with channels such as Don, Ben Elias (the recent Cumbrian Coast one was outstanding) etc simply due to having more interest in the UK.
 

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Think we might just be about to wander somewhat off-topic here from Don's excellent videos. Perhaps a new thread might be sensible to continue any discussion about these overseas cab rides?
 

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It's in pretty much the same style in that it's a full, uninterrupted run with just the natural train noises.

The station names, including closed ones, are displayed in text at the bottom of the screen, ditto the names and lengths of viaducts and tunnels. Lines joining and leaving are also annotated, as are the names of rivers crossed.

There is also data given on the lines used; length, years built, maximum gradients, that sort of thing in a "data panel" type box in the top corner of teh screen when the train switches from one line to another. The speed limits are displayed whenever they change.

What is different is that it doesn't have the extra detail and chat that Don puts in his captions, but other than that - the approach is pretty much identical.

...and yes, I did watch the whole thing in one go. :)

Rather surprisingly, YouTube did not put a single advert up in the whole of that time! :D
That's a nice summary, thanks! 8-)
And no ads? :D
 

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