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Early Departure Times?

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SWTCommuter

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Was it definitely running as the 05:00 Poole to Waterloo? Seems strange that it could run 10 minutes early into Southampton if it did all scheduled stops. The reason I ask if it was the train you thought is because I know that with the heavy snow the Snow Plan was put into effect, and that means a different timetable to provide a fixed frequency service over core routes. Just can't remember if it was in effect from start of service on the day you mention!

Sorry to be slow replying, it's rather a long time ago to remember the exact details. I think it was announced in the usual way and I think it made all the usual stops from Southampton to Waterloo. The snow hadn't started when it left. It may well have skipped some of the stops in New Forest, however, as it's not unusual for SWT to exercise a certain amount of flexibility with this service. In the past fortnight it has made two journeys where it has skipped stations between Southampton and London to make up time.
 
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Aictos

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Which is very unlikely to happen. If they wanted it to be anywhere near 'secure' they'd at least make some effort to tighten up the passwords - there is nothing particularly sensitive on there anyway, most of it it published on the public LDB versions anyway.

They have tightened up on it, they're removed one existing set of username and password used to access the staff part of live departures.

I needed to use it earlier today to double check the timings of my train home, had to use the username and password which my company encourages all employees to use rather then the set which I've used for the past three years.
 

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But why, exactly?
What do they think is at stake? Safety? security? financial sensitivities? Intellectual property? what's the issue here?

As well as fraudulent claims being made, some TOCs have to pay per enquiry, so you're running up their bills. If you require access to it, your manager should be able to sort it. Otherwise, use http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ldb/ like everyone else does.

BTW Justin Foulger can be thanked for raising the alarm on WNXX by bragging about his illegitimate access to it and asking if there was a guest login for Genius - http://www.wnxxforum.com/interactive/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8435 .
 

Aictos

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As well as fraudulent claims being made, some TOCs have to pay per enquiry, so you're running up their bills. If you require access to it, your manager should be able to sort it. Otherwise, use http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ldb/ like everyone else does.

BTW Justin Foulger can be thanked for raising the alarm on WNXX by bragging about his illegitimate access to it and asking if there was a guest login for Genius - http://www.wnxxforum.com/interactive/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8435 .

Why would he want access to Genius for? other then get the latest gen on where a particular train is, :roll:

Which you can find out though the many gen forums available on the internet...
 
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No one seems to have mentioned what a lot of the posters in most manned stations say, for example in leeds: "To ensure a prompt departure, train doors maybe closed upto one minute before the advertised departure time."

Could it not be they close the doors the full minute early and the train got away 30 - 20 seconds earlier than advertised as they managed to despatch quicker than expected?

I have seen that before in leeds.
 

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Why don't train companies install a little box in stations that you can use to stamp your ticket on arrival for the purposes of making a delay-repay claim. (This would be simlar to the box some European countries use to validate a ticket prior to departure.)

Then all of this very useful information about train punctuality could be in the public sector, where it ought to be. flightstats.com does exactly the same thing for planes with no problems I'm aware of and very useful it is too.
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"To ensure a prompt departure, train doors maybe closed upto one minute before the advertised departure time."

Am I the only one who finds this annoying? The time can vary from 20 seconds up to 2 minutes, depending on station, and there is no advance warning -- until you arrive at the station -- that the published departure time is actually not your deadline.

I've happily scheduled my life according to a spot-on radio-controlled watch for several years now -- aren't all modern watches like that these days? -- so would be very angry were I to arrive at Euston two minutes before the advertised departure time -- perhaps beacuse of circumstances beyond my control -- and be denied boarding.

Why not simply revise the timetable to show the barriers-close/doors-shut time, rather than the time the train is supposed to start moving, and stick to that rigidly?

In any case, in my experience, Pendolinos regularly take advantage of of the earlier doors-close time to actually depart 30-90 seconds in advance of the scheduled depature time.

Of course, the status quo, i.e. being able to leave early, conveniently provides a significant help to Virgin in artificially and misleadingly reducing the published journey time and also in improving "on-time" performance.
 

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Or you have a boarding time, not a departure time, which becomes pretty irrelevant.

You need to know the time you have to be there to get on, more than when it leaves (except perhaps to work out the time you'll be on the train).
 

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In any case, in my experience, Pendolinos regularly take advantage of of the earlier doors-close time to actually depart 30-90 seconds in advance of the scheduled depature time.

Ive mentioned this elsewhere about WTT vs PTT times, though if they are both the same then it shouldnt be done.

Of course, the status quo, i.e. being able to leave early, conveniently provides a significant help to Virgin in artificially and misleadingly reducing the published journey time and also in improving "on-time" performance.

And every other TOC in the country. They all do it. Any train that has a journey that has no TSRs on it will arrive early if driven to time.
 

mralexn

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Is it common for trains to leave earlier than scheduled/advertised??

Waiting to get the train back from Middlesbrough today to Darlington, the train left at xx:48 leaving myself and a few other confused passengers left on the platform.

Fair enough we should have been there earlier, but to leave 2 minutes early, withthe departure board saying xx:48 as well was weird...

it is actually a really common thing to happen, most day trains and HST's leave stations say -1
the main ones for leaving early though are the sleepers,
the Caledonian sleeper for inverness left Preston about -19 the other day, and it regally leaves all stations upto inverness around 3 or 4 mins early,
 
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