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Nicholas Lewis
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Presumably after they've unloaded the passengers they've been there nearly 5hrs already!
Which presumably would have been a lot safer and easier to accomplish if it had been done while it was still daylight.
Nicholas Lewis
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Good grief those passengers are not going to be happy. Already other reports on twitter of chaos at Peterborough with everyone thats had to be turfed out there due to the incident. Seems a daft decision to me not to have at least propelled it down to Stevenage first than lay on a train forward from there.
The overhead lines are down on the track in front of it, that is why the train is stuck where it is with no power!
And also they are evacuating people trackside as well from the incident train!
Nicholas Lewis
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Well 1Z99 was there over two hours ago to have executed the recovery! 1A41 been there 5hrs and now that want to haul them back to Peterborough which will take 45mins and leave them further away. Wouldn't be surprised if some passengers don't kick off about not being evacuated onto Hitchin.
Must be good being an armchair expert.
Regardless of how we think decisions go, there is a lot of people tonight trying to sort this out.
They are all doing the best they can to sort stuff.
There isn’t a magic army of people to move to these locations to assist with evacuations.
There will be a few MOMS and some BTP, all doing the best they can.
When these customers get back to Peterborough there will be a couple of LNER staff attempting to sort taxis and hotels.
Do I agree a train should be sat there 5 hours before it’s moved? Absolutely not, shambolic, but I don’t know what is going on, on the ground, or in control rooms.
Tram203
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Do we have any idea at this stage of a timeframe for repairs and resumption of normal service?
It won’t have been looked at, or thought of, until stranded trains have moved, then teams can get on and make a full assessment.
Tram203
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Thanks - asked as I was thinking of possibly having a ride out tomorrow which would have taken me through the affected area between 8-9am.
Think I'll have a lay in instead.
Anything more than 4 trains spread over a few miles, and it is incredibly difficult - if not impossible - to muster enough personnel and resources to evacuate within 2-3 hours where the only option is to track and through an access point with hundreds of people (especially in the dark). Let alone resourcing replacement transport for those people.
Incident after incident has proven this but without loads of spare staff sitting around 95% of time "just in case", it is very hard to suggest a real-world solution.
Incident after incident has proven this but without loads of spare staff sitting around 95% of time "just in case", it is very hard to suggest a real-world solution.
More so with live wires laid across the tracks.
NSEWonderer
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Makes the 4hrs of stranded trains at Pad look miniscule. No doubt however those were much much closer to some form of help than these trains are but still.
Bless those and the teams sorting this as it will definitely go into the early hours. Won't expect early morning services to go well either.
Bless those and the teams sorting this as it will definitely go into the early hours. Won't expect early morning services to go well either.
I appreciate the debris element, but surely they won't still be live? Electrical Control would have switched-off the OLE, although there is always the risk of stray current.
Turned off OHL is still dangerous even when laid on ground, it can still have residual current of several thousand volts.
OHL team will earth sections as well.
It wasn’t north of the station, not that it makes much difference either ways it’s still too long.
It was held south of station then eventually moved alongside 2C55 where those customers evacuated into 1D28 which moved forward into Hitchin station to drop those poor passengers off.
TreacleMiller
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Some have self evacuated.
That was off 1A41 I believe.
TreacleMiller
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Been told D28 too at Hitchin area. That'll be two today.
Been a mess of a day for everyone involved.
Been a mess of a day for everyone involved.
170UTD
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Disruption now expected until 12:00. I'd link the Tweet, but I'm not sure how to do it properly.
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AlbertBeale
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NB: volts are not a measure of current!
Deafdoggie
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Everything till 09:30 appears to be currently cancelled on LNER.
We're booked on 12:00 to Inverness. What do people rate the chances of that running?
We're booked on 12:00 to Inverness. What do people rate the chances of that running?
NSEWonderer
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Wouldn't be surprised that's delayed a bit, but I'm sure someone will know better.
How strange, that!
It’s a complete failure of a any duty of care the railway has.
Deafdoggie
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The dream would be 30 minute delay. Enough for the delay repay, but not too much to fundamentally effect us.
Tram203
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I'd say no chance of it running from London, based on the LNER website service updates. When I looked a few minutes go it listed in the region of 50 cancellations, and was suggesting passengers defer travel until tomorrow (Sunday) if possible.
It might start at Peterborough or somewhere further north, but getting to Peterborough from London by any means other than the A1 I'd say is a non-starter. York via Manchester (Avanti and TPE, subject to ticket acceptance of course) could be an option.
Either way, good luck.
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