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Elon Musk - the world's "greatest" spiv?

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Instead of being the mass market electric pickup truck it promised it's become a specialist tech demonstrator and I don't think it can be any more than the latter plus it's not really doing much for the Tesla brand when there's no new Tesla cars to draw people to.
It isn’t demonstrating much though. It’s their first car with the 800V architecture but the efficiency is pretty poor at 2-3mi/kwh while most cars are aiming for 4-5.

Putting a big battery and big motor isn’t particularly difficult, though the 400V/800V switching tech is quite nice.
 
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It isn’t demonstrating much though. It’s their first car with the 800V architecture but the efficiency is pretty poor at 2-3mi/kwh while most cars are aiming for 4-5.

Putting a big battery and big motor isn’t particularly difficult, though the 400V/800V switching tech is quite nice.
Yes, I entirely agree it's not much use as a demonstrator either but it's certainly not a mass market vehicle.
 

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What did you say in the post (if it doesn't breach RailUK community guidelines?)
That's the point, I never got to post anything or had even begun to write anything! I just treat it as a capture of my 'data' that they can add to their worldwide monetization and dominance programme.
 

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Janice Turner of The Times has had enough of X after recent events:


A decade ago, in Tanzania to interview Melinda Gates, I was watching the philanthropist being fêted by African leaders when a chilling thought struck me. What if she and her then-husband didn’t use their stupendous wealth to create malaria vaccines or fund HIV research but instead harnessed their phenomenal, unelected power for evil? Who could stop a billionaire going rogue?

History is full of ultra-rich men manipulating governments and public opinion for profit. Usually this process, as with Facebook’s influence on past American elections, is done covertly then largely denied. Until now, we’ve never watched a plutocrat go full Bond villain, cackling from his lair as he spreads discord and fear, baiting elected politicians who can only fight his global omnipresence with the feeble weaponry of a democratic state.


Elon Musk sits astride Twitter/X as the living embodiment of all that is screwed up and vile about his site. This King of Trolls watched from his redoubt in Boca Chica, Texas, while a community library in Walton was torched, asylum seekers huddled in burning hotels, drunken morons were sucked into violent affray and locked up for years. It’s mere sport to him, spreading discord, racism, mistrust and division in a tinpot country 5,000 miles away.
Twitter was, of course, responsible for disinformation long before Musk bought it in 2022. Yet previously, such horrors could be attributed to Russian bot farms or extremists of all stripes: they were not broadcast openly by the owner himself, who has abandoned all pretence of compliance or safeguarding to rebrand himself lord of misrule.
“Civil war is inevitable,” he tweeted louchely to his 193 million followers, as a mourning Southport swept debris from its streets — like he couldn’t wait, gleefully imagining the viral clips of hand-to-hand combat in Birmingham or Liverpool, the online traffic. Having restored the far-right agitator Tommy Robinson’s account, Musk now retweets him and shared a fake story posted by Britain First’s leader that Sir Keir Starmer is building emergency detainment camps on the Falkland Islands.
Poisonous rubbish, which Musk deleted later without apology. He couldn’t demonstrate more clearly that X has no care for truth or the human consequences of lies.
So now the question for users is: why stay? I joined Twitter in 2009 when it seemed a remarkable resource, a platform that opened your mind, connected you to old friends and introduced new ones. It was at once a town square, a zeitgeist monitor, a ticker-tape news feed. For a decade I happily shared my thoughts and work, snippets of my life. It was vicious too and, like many, I learnt that an orchestrated pile-on can ruin an afternoon. Over time, I’ve posted less and less. Why endure the fallout of a joke being wilfully misconstrued? Better to share it with a WhatsApp group of people you trust.
Musk bought Twitter with a promise of free speech and certainly I appreciated feminist accounts no longer being suspended for stating scientific fact. But he also ratcheted up the algorithm so you no longer see tweets from people you follow in the order they are posted. Instead, it notes what you’ve read and feeds you more of the same.
So if, say, you read an article on vaccine side-effects, it rams your feed with anti-vax content. When your prejudices are constantly affirmed, you start to believe nothing else is happening in the world. You grow angrier, less tolerant of opposing views; your heart hardens, your temper quickens, you’re yanked from a public place into a silo of jabbering obsessives, away from rationality, doubt and nuance into frothing, raging extremes.
Get hooked and X, like cocaine, will turn you into the worst possible version of yourself.
Moreover, the riots showed that the connection between X and tragic events isn’t tenuous and deniable. You could observe its influence right there in real time. After the three Southport girls were murdered, the made-up name “Ali Al-Shakati” started to trend, along with a rumour the perpetrator was a Muslim asylum seeker on an MI6 watch list. “If this is true,” tweeted a woman, now arrested, “then all hell is about to break loose.” But none of it was true — and all hell broke loose anyway.
Musk not only normalised disinformation, he incentivised it. Accounts with a commercial focus get paid for clicks even if they tweet lies, making conspiracy theories that sweep the world in minutes cash cows. In the riot aftermath, hoaxes swirled: from the right, that an asylum seeker had a gun; from the left, that a Muslim woman had been doused in acid. It is still unclear who created a list of 100 planned sites of far-right violence — the racists themselves, to spread fear, or the anti-fascists who wanted to generate vast no pasarán solidarity marches. Either way, it terrified ethnic minorities, drained police resources and spread a sense that society was unpicking and nothing or no one could be trusted.
Which is how Musk likes it. Far from dialling down his trolling, he ramps it up, baiting a Labour government because its online harm bill might mean he has to rehire all the expensive moderators he sacked. But also just because he can. This ill-tempered despot worth $250 billion (£197 billion), who gets his kicks chucking online grenades into democracies, is pulling for his fellow fake-newsman Donald Trump and has already spread a deep-fake video of Kamala Harris and stories that the Democrats are promoting voter fraud. Now, having told his advertisers to “go f*** themselves”, he’s suing them for leaving.
Fewer celebrities are posting on X, preferring the calmer seas of Instagram. And after I’ve written this column and begin my holiday, I will delete this toxic app, which threatens both my inner peace and that of my country. The only way to stop this billionaire gone rogue is if none of us ever log back in.
 

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Janice Turner of The Times has had enough of X after recent events:


I wish I could have put it that succinctly when flailing around for the words to explain how I felt about it the other day. That’s incredibly well said!

This isn’t going to get better. It’s going to continue to get worse and everyone needs to take a stand, sooner rather than later.
 

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Elon is Mr Free Speech, unless you criticise him or use certain words he doesn't like such as cisgender.
Most characters with a prominent platform who claim to be free speech are hypocrites in this sense. In particular when certain anti-protest legislation was passed by the Tories they were rather quiet then as it didn't affect what they wanted to promote. However what they may not have realised is that whenever authoritarian-style legislation is passed by one particular government, if it's vaguely worded and/or can be interpreted in different ways, another government could take advantage and use it against the same folk who were fine with it before. This is why authoritarian behaviour should be condemned regardless of who is targeted.
 

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Good old Count Binface was announcing his Substack in response to frustration with Musk and Twitter:


He has a current article on the state of Twitter:

In sport, both on Earth and back home on Sigma IX, there is such a thing as a ‘Fit and Proper Persons Test’. It’s not always applied very well - see Newcastle United FC for details - but I say it’s high time that the governments of Planet Earth joined forces and declared that just because someone owns billions upon billions of dollars, that does not give them the right to pollute and corrode democracy.

Musk has proved to me beyond any doubt that he lacks the editorial intelligence to run a social media network. Therefore I demand that the British parliament should pass a law requiring Twitter (I’m not calling it by its ****ty new name) to be sold to new owners, or it should be banned forthwith.

This might sound like a big call. But similar moves are afoot elsewhere. There is a realistic possibility that TikTok might be banned in the United States (and other western territories). Given the autocratic and dystopian nature of the Chinese Communist government, if they fell foul of a harsh ruling it would be a bit rich of them to complain.
 

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Just when you think Musk's platform couldn't sink any lower:


Weapons dealers in Yemen are openly using the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, to sell Kalashnikovs, pistols, grenades and grenade-launchers.
The traders operate in the capital Sana’a and other areas under control of the Houthis, a rebel group backed by Iran and proscribed as terrorists by the US and Australian governments.
"It is inconceivable that they [the weapons dealers] are not operating on the Houthis’ behalf," said the former British Ambassador to Yemen, Edmund Fitton-Brown, who now works for the Counter Extremism Project.
"Purely private dealers who tried to profit from supplying, [for example] the government of Yemen, would be quickly shut down."
An investigation by The Times newspaper found that several of the Yemeni accounts bore the blue tick of verification.
Both The Times and the BBC have approached X for comment, but have not so far received any response.
Most of the platform’s content moderators were laid off after the new owner Elon Musk bought the company in 2022.
The advertisements are mostly in Arabic and aimed primarily at Yemeni customers in a country where the number of guns is often said to outnumber the population by three to one.
The BBC has found several examples online, offering weapons at prices in both Yemeni and Saudi riyals.
The words beside the weapons are designed to lure in the buyers.
"Premium craftsmanship and top-notch warranty," says one advertisement. "The Yemeni-modified AK is your best choice."
A demonstration video, filmed at night, shows the seller blasting off a 30-round magazine on full automatic.
Another offers sand-coloured Pakistani-produced Glock pistols for around $900 each.
Yet these advertisements are not hidden in the depths of the Dark Web, where guns and other illegal items are usually traded, they are in plain sight on X, openly accessible to millions of people.
Commenting on this, UK-based NGO Tech Against Terrorism issued what it called an urgent plea to tech platforms to actively remove Houthi-supporting content on the internet and social media platforms.
The Houthis, a mountain-based tribal minority, swept to power in Yemen in 2014, ousting the UN-recognised government.
Since then, a seven-year military campaign led by neighbouring Saudi Arabia failed to remove them, while the country descended into civil war.
In late 2023 the Houthis, who have an extensive arsenal of drones and missiles, many supplied by Iran, have been targeting commercial and naval shipping in the Red Sea.
The Houthis say this is in support of Palestinians in Gaza, but many of the vessels have had no links to Israel.
A US-led maritime force offshore has failed to stop the Houthis’ attacks on shipping, which have had a disastrous effect on trade passing through Egypt’s Suez Canal.
 

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SpaceX have succeeded in catching the Super Heavy booster on the 5th test flight.

That was absolutely stunning. I was expecting something to go wrong the first time they tried this manoeuvre, but it just guided itself pretty much straight in.
 

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Given this is the Guardian, some could say this isn't a shock and fits in with their political alignment. But worth remembering that they didn't abandon Twitter the second Musk started running it and actually held on for 2 years since he did, so one wonders if other media outlets/journalists will follow suit:



British newspaper group the Guardian has announced it will no longer post on X, formerly Twitter, saying it has become a "a toxic media platform".

In a message to readers, external, it said the US presidential election "underlined" its concerns that its owner, Elon Musk, had been able to use X to "shape political discourse."
Mr Musk strongly backed Donald Trump and has now been given a role cutting government spending in his incoming administration.
The BBC has contacted X for comment.
The Guardian said users would still be able to share articles and it was likely continue to embed X posts in its coverage of world events.
But it said the "benefits of being on X are now outweighed by the negatives."
"This is something we have been considering for a while given the often disturbing content promoted or found on the platform, including far-right conspiracy theories and racism," it added.
X users have reacted with vitriol, with those who paid for prominent replies accusing it of "woke propaganda" and "virtue signalling".
Mr Musk and the Guardian are far from political bed fellows - but even so its departure is likely to intensify questions about whether others will follow, as X and Mr Musk align themselves more with Donald Trump.
Its rivals already appear to be benefiting.
Meta's Threads has continued to expand, and Bluesky, set up by Twitter founder Jack Dorsey, briefly topped the download charts in the UK and US Apple App Stores on Wednesday, as users look to alternatives.
Its userbase has grown by four million in just two months, and Bluesky said in a post on Tuesday, external that it had picked up a million new users in the seven days since Trump's win.
However it remains comparatively tiny, with 15 million users worldwide.
 

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Given this is the Guardian, some could say this isn't a shock and fits in with their political alignment. But worth remembering that they didn't abandon Twitter the second Musk started running it and actually held on for 2 years since he did, so one wonders if other media outlets/journalists will follow suit:

I'd be surprised if their postings are getting any useful engagement at all, so stopping paying somebody to do that makes sense regardless of who owns it.

Mostly I'd rather they stopped embedding tweets in their articles. It's a form of data sharing which doesn't benefit them and which I wouldn't agree to if the choice was there in isolation. It also encourages politicians and companies to release information through Twitter rather than through more reliable considered routes.
 

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Mostly I'd rather they stopped embedding tweets in their articles.
This is a consequence of both public figures using Twitter as an official mouthpiece, and Twitter requiring other sites to embed content rather than just quote from it. I'm pretty sure most of the media companies would quite happily stop embedding tweets if they had the option to do so.
 

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Maybe journalists can stop posting articles based on what someone said on Twitter. It’s been one of the most risible journalistic practices of the last decade or so.
 

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Reports that now Elon has got such a powerful role, some advertisers are seeking to return to his platform in order to try and get a way in to talking to (lobbying) the President.

Not sure if that will work of course because Trump will want that money. I can see Trump tiring of Elon very quickly as they're both grifters and in competition with each other.


Link: Article about advertisers plotting a return to X.

Elon Musk’s support for Donald Trump is set to boost X’s flagging business, with some marketers poised for a return to the social media platform in order to seek favor with the incoming administration.

Media executives told the Financial Times that some brands were preparing to advertise on X once again, as its billionaire owner was likely to gain an influential role within a second Trump White House.
 

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We can choose not to buy anything from those brands of course.

I wonder if Twitter will ever merge/absorb Trump’s ‘Truth’ social platform? I’m not sure what it has any purpose for now since nobody is banned on Twitter any more, which I think was the reason Trump set up his own thing.
 

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We can choose not to buy anything from those brands of course.

I wonder if Twitter will ever merge/absorb Trump’s ‘Truth’ social platform? I’m not sure what it has any purpose for now since nobody is banned on Twitter any more, which I think was the reason Trump set up his own thing.
He'd have to pay the boss a *lot* more than truth social is worth to get hold of it. It's possible he'll end up doing that when the whole relationship goes south and he's trying to avoid expensive retributions or defenestration, but right now even Elon can see that it's bad businessing.
 

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Surely Trump and Musk are going to fall out fairly rapidly in the ensuing months? Trump isn’t going to like it if he feels that Musk is getting ideas above his station and that’s going to be inevitable I’d have thought?
 

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Surely Trump and Musk are going to fall out fairly rapidly in the ensuing months? Trump isn’t going to like it if he feels that Musk is getting ideas above his station and that’s going to be inevitable I’d have thought?
Without a shadow of doubt.

In that instance, it wouldn't be a surprise if Musk then weaponised Twitter against Trump would it?
 

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Surely Trump and Musk are going to fall out fairly rapidly in the ensuing months? Trump isn’t going to like it if he feels that Musk is getting ideas above his station and that’s going to be inevitable I’d have thought?
These two strike me as the US equivalent of Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings: they both want power, wealth and glory, but the former is a buffoon who needs the latter's help to achieve this.

In the UK's case, Johnson fell out with Cummings (after that "Princess Nut Nut" remark and a No.10 internal power struggle), then Cummings turned on Johnson and spilled all the dirt about Partygate for revenge. Trump of course in his first term fell out with plenty of others as well, any of the picks we're seeing at the moment clearly haven't read their history and seen you're better off waiting to be the replacement(s).
 

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Is Musk hoping to be the 48th US President ??
The constitution does not allow anyone who was not born in the US to become President. Changing the constitution is very difficult; even if it were possible, the folk surrounding Musk are more likely to want the top job for themselves, so would not make life easier for a foreign-born citizen in this regard.
 

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Is Musk hoping to be the 48th US President ??
He doesn't need to be, he's bought his own president.

It's depressing seeing the talk about advertisers flocking to Twitter now although there's been a big spike in Bluesky users so there's some hope, the Guardian have also announced they're not going to use Twitter any more which hopefully more companies will do.
 

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He doesn't need to be, he's bought his own president.

It's depressing seeing the talk about advertisers flocking to Twitter now although there's been a big spike in Bluesky users so there's some hope, the Guardian have also announced they're not going to use Twitter any more which hopefully more companies will do.
The only argument for going back to Twitter as an advertiser is that you've potentially been misreading the public's mood. Against that you've got to lay the problem that a huge proportion of the usage is bots and it's not especially likely to get more popular with real people.

There is a spike in Bluesky, but at the end of the day only a few million globally. Threads is still probably a more significant threat. What's not at all clear is that one is much better than another - sure you might hit fewer bots, but spending your day consuming short chunks of random bile from disaffected strangers is not healthy on any platform
 

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Of course, Musk could buy Truth Social for a hugely inflated price, like he did with Twitter
 

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I've moved over from Twitter to Bluesky - difficult at first because all I got was American sport, but once I put in a few searches and follows I get a better feed. Missing some stuff like "Politics UK", "The Guardian" and my own sports clubs, but no doubt they will navigate there eventually.
 

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Without a shadow of doubt.

In that instance, it wouldn't be a surprise if Musk then weaponised Twitter against Trump would it?
Yes quite possibly, although I think Musk would struggle if he lost his newly found fan base.

These two strike me as the US equivalent of Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings: they both want power, wealth and glory, but the former is a buffoon who needs the latter's help to achieve this.
That’s quite a good comparison actually.
 

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I've moved over from Twitter to Bluesky - difficult at first because all I got was American sport, but once I put in a few searches and follows I get a better feed. Missing some stuff like "Politics UK", "The Guardian" and my own sports clubs, but no doubt they will navigate there eventually.
Initially, the Bluesky algorithm thought I loved cats, comics, Pokemon and Manga. The advice was to follow accounts you liked. Interacting with posts that you liked was hard when everything was something I didn't want to see. My Discover feed would have a few posts from people I was following, and then go to the generic comics and cats. Its better now. I think this is because there is more from the accounts that I'm following.

I tried Threads, but its annoying where so many posts are written as click bait where you get the setup in the first post and have to click to see the punch line.

Bluesky has pretty good coverage for the people I follow on politics and the law. Its not great for comedy and entertainment. More comedians seem to have gone from Twitter to Instagram.
 

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Initially, the Bluesky algorithm thought I loved cats, comics, Pokemon and Manga. The advice was to follow accounts you liked. Interacting with posts that you liked was hard when everything was something I didn't want to see. My Discover feed would have a few posts from people I was following, and then go to the generic comics and cats. Its better now. I think this is because there is more from the accounts that I'm following.

I tried Threads, but its annoying where so many posts are written as click bait where you get the setup in the first post and have to click to see the punch line.

Bluesky has pretty good coverage for the people I follow on politics and the law. Its not great for comedy and entertainment. More comedians seem to have gone from Twitter to Instagram.
Cats, comics, Pokemon and Manga was probably a good generic reflection of the largest segment in their userbase at the time. I've never really done discover tabs on anything - far better to just follow specific people as you find them and then stick to your follows timeline.

I'm already on Instagram, although I'm mostly following stuff on there that is completely unrelated to everywhere else. The problem is that the feed on Insta is essentially useless and everything is actually in the stories, so you can't find it later. Even then half the time it's been crammed into a picture format when it really isn't, so you have to deal with somebody talking, or difficult-to-read overlaid text.
 

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