Engineering train derailment at Penrith

[Harbon 1]

I would guess he looked at options and choose the best one.

I don't know how fast they hit each other, but I know I'd rather not be at the sharp end when it happened

 

[ModernRailways]

I don't know how fast they hit each other, but I know I'd rather not be at the sharp end when it happened

Farcebook says it was at 45mph, but my DB friend told me it was around 15mph. If it was 45mph I imagine it would be a lot bigger news and there would be quite a mess which wouldn't just take 24 hours to clear up - I imagine that 24 hours will also include finishing the engineering works that were already going on. I also imagine the driver who jumped out would have had more than a broken leg.

 

[MadCommuter]

Sorry i do not remember the headcodes well. What is going on? ALl sleepers cancelled or some via ECML?

Only the portions north of Edinburgh running, ie Inverness, Aberdeen & Fort Bill in both directions. The lowland sleepers all cancelled.

 

[EltonRoad]

Portions from Fort William, Aberdeen, Inverness terminate at Edinburgh, and return in the morning.

Glasgow and Edinburgh southbound trains cancelled and berths remain in station for passenger use.

Both northbound trains from Euston cancelled and berths remain in station for passenger use.

Luxury coaches laid on for passengers wishing to travel.

That's my reading from ScotRail web site anyway.

 

[Crossover]

Everything for tomorrow to and from Glasgow/Edinburgh VT has been entered onto the system as a Carlisle shuttle. Same for TPE. I wonder if TPE have a 350 stuck up North now

 

[SPADTrap]

The possessions on the south of the ECML are from Alexandra Palace to Stevenage so everything is going via Hertford. So that may have added further headaches along with the possessions further north as mentioned earlier.

 

[ModernRailways]

Do the sleeper drivers sign Hertford?

Their is single line working between Durham and Northallerton so it's entirely possible they could have gone through there, but Hertford may be where they decided they couldn't go.

 

[spongsdad]

There's a 21:50 VT Preston to Glasgow via S&C in the system for tonight.

Sadly not. That too has been cancelled.

 

[trubla]

http://www.in-cumbria.com/freight-train-derails-near-penrith-1.1109563

Has a picture of 1 of the 66's

 

[DarloRich]

I wonder what the RAIB report says?

 

[tcm1106]

Front bogie of the loco has derailed and the wagon behind it is in the dirt. Nothing derailed on the train in front but the rear wagons have buffer locked.

The lowland sleeper was due to run but crossed communications led to DBS sending the relief driver at Crewe home. Therefore now cancelled as well.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Just a quick posting to hope that the driver recovers soon and that the break is one that will knit together quickly.

 

[Eagle]

I wonder what the RAIB report says?

Odd use of the present tense there. Unless of course RAIB were able to do a full investigation in under 12 hours.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Where did you hear that?

What happened to the LOL?
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Now waiting for Mr Crow to pop up out of the woodwork to give his opinion

And why shouldn't he? By all accounts things could have been a lot worse.
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I wonder if VT could divert over the S&C tomorrow?
It would save people having to get the bus part way.

I guess it will all depend on having enough loco's to do the drags. Those signal boxes could be very places later on today!

 

[Eagle]

If there are any diversions it'll probably only be Voyager services that are diverted.

 

[Carlisle]

If there are any diversions it'll probably only be Voyager services that are diverted.

Hope the driver involved makes a speedy recovery .I can recall only one VT diversion a day each way via the S&C when the line was closed for about 2 or so weeks during the grayrigg accident so for various reasons it appears the system is not geared up to regular weekday diversions on this route, coaches always seem very much the preferred option

 

[amcluesent]

Lessons need to be learned, 1000s have had travel plans disrupted.

 

[dk1]

14.00 is now the possible re-opening time. At such short notice the S&C and planning that needs to go into it rules it out really. Also ties the Voyagers up for too long. Best stick to a frequent train-bus-train shuttle.

 

[Tomnick]

Lessons need to be learned, 1000s have had travel plans disrupted.

Lessons are always learnt from incidents such as this. Hopefully it'll be in the name of safety rather than convenience though...

 

[shx]

I'm surprised to see Scotrail opening their Sleepers for passengers to kip in. Why not via ECML?

They told us, that ScotRail has no drivers allowed to go via ECML available. Pretty chaotic yesterday, till 10pm nobody (at least in Euston) really knew what's going on. At least I haven't seen (or heard the announcement for) the coaches ScotRail's website promised, passengers who stayed were diverted on ECML daytrains.

 

[harz99]

Same for TPE. I wonder if TPE have a 350 stuck up North now

Shouldn't be as the current unit diagram only works Mon-Fri and starts/finishes in Manchester.

 

[dave59]

Hope the driver involved makes a speedy recovery .I can recall only one VT diversion a day each way via the S&C when the line was closed for about 2 or so weeks during the grayrigg accident so for various reasons it appears the system is not geared up to regular weekday diversions on this route, coaches always seem very much the preferred option

Rightly so. Unless NR improve the transit times (2 hours and 41 minutes) on the diversionary route it remains rather useless for passenger trains other than perhaps the sleepers.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Shouldn't be as the current unit diagram only works Mon-Fri and starts/finishes in Manchester.

If it ran as an EMU today, it turned round at Penrith and is now near Wigan: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O60482/2014/01/13/advanced.

 

[Eagle]

The line appears to be closed north of Penrith today.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The line appears to be closed north of Penrith today.

Yes, I just edited my post.

 

[TDK]

It is good that some of you have gladly aired your concerns about the driver but it does make my blood boil when many of you are only concerned on the loco numbers, if there are diversions so you can get haulage and also possibly getting photos of trains on diversion. It now seems clearer why some rail staff do not like some spotters. I hope the drivers are OK and I don't give a monkeys about anything else

 

[RichmondCommu]

It is good that some of you have gladly aired your concerns about the driver but it does make my blood boil when many of you are only concerned on the loco numbers, if there are diversions so you can get haulage and also possibly getting photos of trains on diversion. It now seems clearer why some rail staff do not like some spotters. I hope the drivers are OK and I don't give a monkeys about anything else

Post number three initially described the incident as a LOL moment. It beggars belief how anyone can think like that, especially given that the comment was made by a fellow driver.

 

[Rugd1022]

I'm not usually one to speculate when accidents occur on the railway but as someone who is very used to working engineering trains within possessions I can say that collisions like this are rare and usually happen at slow speed. Trains are often propelled within a work site (with radio communication between driver and engineering supervisor) as well as driven from the leading cab so there are a number of ways it could have happened.

Best wishes to the drivers involved.

 

[Dolive22]

As of 11:02 Virgin now say disruption till 1 pm.

I hope the driver with the suspected broken leg recovers well. Do we know about the other driver?

 

[ModernRailways]

It is good that some of you have gladly aired your concerns about the driver but it does make my blood boil when many of you are only concerned on the loco numbers, if there are diversions so you can get haulage and also possibly getting photos of trains on diversion. It now seems clearer why some rail staff do not like some spotters. I hope the drivers are OK and I don't give a monkeys about anything else

I only posted the numbers of the locos involved as I wasn't sure of the headcodes, some people can find out the headcode by using the loco numbers. I personally couldn't give a crap about the numbers or the headcode, to me it was just two freight trains collided.

A fellow driver posted:

LOL Where did you hear that?

He's since removed the LOL part...