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TheGrandWazoo

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It will be very interesting to see what happens with both the First operations (i.e. will they be repowered Streetdecks etc) and how Central Connect get on with something chunkier away from their base. Of course, the greater question will be how Konectbus gets on - it's long been suggested that the P&R underpinned the rest of the operation. Time to see if that is borne out.
 
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It will be very interesting to see what happens with both the First operations (i.e. will they be repowered Streetdecks etc) and how Central Connect get on with something chunkier away from their base. Of course, the greater question will be how Konectbus gets on - it's long been suggested that the P&R underpinned the rest of the operation. Time to see if that is borne out.
Going off topic a bit, but Central Connect appear to be making fast changes to Simonds - three new E20Ds arrived from the larger "group" order recently, services have been recast to make them more frequent and easier to understand, and one press release suggested new 'deckers were coming at the end of the year for the Diss-Bury St Edmunds service. It will certainly be interesting to see what vehicles arrive for the P&R work...
 

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According to bustimes.org, E300 67406 SN13CKC has transferred Ipswich to Chelmsford and Wright Streetlite Max 63327 SK65PXH is now at Ipswich from Norwich (don't know if loan or transfer)
 

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According to bustimes.org, E300 67406 SN13CKC has transferred Ipswich to Chelmsford and Wright Streetlite Max 63327 SK65PXH is now at Ipswich from Norwich (don't know if loan or transfer)
It appears to be the next stage of standardisation locally - E300s to Essex (presumably to congregate the type in the south-east at Essex) - and StreetLites replacing them (and presumably the E200s in time too) at Ipswich, leaving Ipswich an entirely Wright depot. I can only presume that Chelmsford will become entirely ADL in time as a result - it's certainly moving that way.
 

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What is due to replace the B9s currently on loan to Eastern Counties from West Yorkshire?
I believe they are on loan for additional contract work between now and Christmas - which presumably means they are to help provide cover for Bernard Matthews contract work (which happens most years as far as I can tell).
 

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I believe they are on loan for additional contract work between now and Christmas - which presumably means they are to help provide cover for Bernard Matthews contract work (which happens most years as far as I can tell).
Ah OK :)
Do you think that any more of the NetworkNorwich ones will be on the move when the EV Conversion Streetdecks re-enter service? I've also heard that more Streetdecks may be on the move into Norwich from elsewhere.
 

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Ah OK :)
Do you think that any more of the NetworkNorwich ones will be on the move when the EV Conversion Streetdecks re-enter service? I've also heard that more Streetdecks may be on the move into Norwich from elsewhere.
I believe some if not all MF22 plate streetdecks wil end up at Norwich when Weston Super Mare get their electrics.
 

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Norwich operating 5 city routes on Boxing Day this year, hourly until around 1800. They tried this a few years ago with limited success I understand.
 

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According to bustimes, one of Ipswich's Wright Streetdeck's was on the 66 yesterday: https://bustimes.org/vehicles/fyor-35930?date=2024-12-15

It looks like it was going through the guided busway, as far as I know none of the Streetdecks have been modified for guidewheels, is it a AU58 B7RLE tracking as 35930 instead?
Drivers have been known to take non-guided vehicles down the busway before, works fine as long as you're going slow enough.
 

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It looks like it was going through the guided busway,
It must be one of the most useless bits of guided busway ever. Any costs associated with a guided busway (for operator or council) for all of 100 metres. Surely someone must see the sense in just ripping up the guideway and just making it a normal busway/bus gate?
 

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It must be one of the most useless bits of guided busway ever. Any costs associated with a guided busway (for operator or council) for all of 100 metres. Surely someone must see the sense in just ripping up the guideway and just making it a normal busway/bus gate?
You have to remember that in it's day, it was regarded as an important trial of the concept in the UK. Of course, it now seems a bit pathetic and you'd certainly not build anything like it in these times; it would be a sump buster and/or ANPR controlled. However, I'm not certain that the costs of removal would be outweighed by any savings for the operator. It'll probably disappear in time.
 

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Of the two buses photographed, the SL67 StreetDeck is formally a Leeds vehicle which transferred to Norwich in LeedsCity Green.

The BG12 Gemini 2 was new to First Games Transport and wears a former Network Norwich livery. Branding was very consistent across Norwich with the coloured routes, although the concept of route painted buses has now been thrown out of the window with the electric fleet.

The diesel fleet remaining are now used on the routes which need diesels regardless of the colour of the paint. I’m guessing these will slowly be repainted into corporate Ultraviolet and Norwich will become consistent again.
Off the back of my post in another thread, quoted above…

Do we know what FEC’s plans are for repainting the former Network Norwich fleet? Are there further cascades planned to replace the vehicles, or will be see the existing fleet repainted into Ultraviolet?

We’ve a variety of Blue/Yellow/Red Gemini 2s, some Orange and Pink StreetDecks, amongst others.

Are the Ipswich and Coastal Reds colours staying as they are for now?
 

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Off the back of my post in another thread, quoted above…

Do we know what FEC’s plans are for repainting the former Network Norwich fleet? Are there further cascades planned to replace the vehicles, or will be see the existing fleet repainted into Ultraviolet?

We’ve a variety of Blue/Yellow/Red Gemini 2s, some Orange and Pink StreetDecks, amongst others.

Are the Ipswich and Coastal Reds colours staying as they are for now?
The plan is that all the regional liveries will disappear except for open top services IIRC. Ipswich already has a purple Eclipse but like a lot of First fleets, there was a moratorium of repaints whilst they sorted out the livery AND there have been lots of cascades with Norwich colour branded vehicles now on other routes. It seems that FEC prioritised the repainting of those green ex Leeds vehicles as the most in need of a repaint rather than the ones in versions of Urban or in reds colours.
 

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A couple of FEC Ipswich questions (based on bustimes.org so might need to be taken with a bucket of salt!)

  • Is E300 67774 away for repainting (hasn't tracked since 05-Feb)
  • Are the 4xxxx Streetlites proving to be very unreliable? 47679 hasn't tracked since 14-Feb and 47682 since 20-Jan. Whenever I see them they are usually on the 800, I assume to keep them close to the depot?
  • i've noticed the AU58 B7RLE / Wright Eclipses looks very worn externally, are they due for replacement (I think this has been the case for a while hence why the Felixstowe Flyers branding hasn't been removed)
 

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A couple of FEC Ipswich questions (based on bustimes.org so might need to be taken with a bucket of salt!)

  • Is E300 67774 away for repainting (hasn't tracked since 05-Feb)
  • Are the 4xxxx Streetlites proving to be very unreliable? 47679 hasn't tracked since 14-Feb and 47682 since 20-Jan. Whenever I see them they are usually on the 800, I assume to keep them close to the depot?
  • i've noticed the AU58 B7RLE / Wright Eclipses looks very worn externally, are they due for replacement (I think this has been the case for a while hence why the Felixstowe Flyers branding hasn't been removed)
I suspect there will be many single-deck cascades across Essex/East Anglia once Basildon's electric fleet arrives later in the year. It was suggested previously that Ipswich were due more Streetlites at some point, to oust the oldest B7RLEs - I don't know if that's been overtaken by other plans or not.
 

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A couple of FEC Ipswich questions (based on bustimes.org so might need to be taken with a bucket of salt!)

  • Is E300 67774 away for repainting (hasn't tracked since 05-Feb)
  • Are the 4xxxx Streetlites proving to be very unreliable? 47679 hasn't tracked since 14-Feb and 47682 since 20-Jan. Whenever I see them they are usually on the 800, I assume to keep them close to the depot?
  • i've noticed the AU58 B7RLE / Wright Eclipses looks very worn externally, are they due for replacement (I think this has been the case for a while hence why the Felixstowe Flyers branding hasn't been removed)
1) I believe 67774 is currently awaiting repairs, the reliability of our E300s has never been great to say the least!
2) Yes, rather so. The vehicles are regularly found in 'limp' mode, and regularly struggle to last a full day in service. For example, 47680 couldn't even last one trip in service last Thursday morning.
3) Rumour was that Norwich Streetlites were to replace the AU58 Eclipses, and then that rumour changed to claim the remaining ex-Weymouth B7RLEs currently in Norwich were to be transferred to Ipswich. Neither of these have occured. The issue is that the Streetlites and Eclipse II B7RLEs are supposedly incompatible with the guidewheels/arms required to serve the guided section in Kesgrave, thus resulting in the AU58s being moved off of Felixstowes onto 66s. Originally, the council claimed they would replace the guideway with a bus-only regular road if new vehicles (the StreetDecks) were ordered, however this never came to fruition. This means that the odd journey in the day that cannot be operated by the AU58s due to operational circumstances have to divert around the busway, resulting in delays and the stop on the busway being skipped. Alternatively, some drivers have taken it upon themselves to drive down the busway in non-guided vehicles (such as StreetDecks), which I'm sure First's management are not too fond of for obvious reasons...
 

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I wonder if the poor reliability of the Streetlites is why the E200's are hanging on, some of them sound quite rough and it seems like the 2 mini E200's take it turns to be off the road.

If Streetlite's and Eclipse II's are incompatible with the Guideway I wonder if it will be abandoned, I don't think the 66 is anywhere near busy enough to warrant new vehicles.
 

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1) I believe 67774 is currently awaiting repairs, the reliability of our E300s has never been great to say the least!
2) Yes, rather so. The vehicles are regularly found in 'limp' mode, and regularly struggle to last a full day in service. For example, 47680 couldn't even last one trip in service last Thursday morning.
3) Rumour was that Norwich Streetlites were to replace the AU58 Eclipses, and then that rumour changed to claim the remaining ex-Weymouth B7RLEs currently in Norwich were to be transferred to Ipswich. Neither of these have occured. The issue is that the Streetlites and Eclipse II B7RLEs are supposedly incompatible with the guidewheels/arms required to serve the guided section in Kesgrave, thus resulting in the AU58s being moved off of Felixstowes onto 66s. Originally, the council claimed they would replace the guideway with a bus-only regular road if new vehicles (the StreetDecks) were ordered, however this never came to fruition. This means that the odd journey in the day that cannot be operated by the AU58s due to operational circumstances have to divert around the busway, resulting in delays and the stop on the busway being skipped. Alternatively, some drivers have taken it upon themselves to drive down the busway in non-guided vehicles (such as StreetDecks), which I'm sure First's management are not too fond of for obvious reasons...
Whilst I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the guidewheels on the Kesgrave section, I'm surprised that there would be any issue with putting guidewheels on the newer B7RLEs. I've not heard of that issue in relation to Volvos (but have with Wright integrals) and they are able to fit guidewheels onto B7s and B8s elsewhere - something of a bespoke design???
 

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I suspect they are currently a bit busy dealing with a certain photo that is going round X to be concerned by the fitting of guide wheels
What are you talking about?
I'm guessing this is a reference to the driver pictured engaging in a sexual act in Sprowston a year ago, and which First confirmed was no longer employed by the company not long after. I've seen it popping up again of late on social media and keep the posters are a bit behind the times!
 

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