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The frequent rate in which they make changes to services and timetables also didn't give me much confidence either, at least half of those bookings above changed at some point between booking and the date of travel, sometimes your journeys would change by several hours.
One thing I'd say is that while services do change a lot, most of the changes currently are additional trips or minor retiming's (5-10 minutes or so). Some operators are a lot more stable than others too on the network. Whippets being one such operators that I've found to be more unreliable than others both in terms of faffing around while on trips, but also cancelling trips.

My advice would be to ask on a group which operator runs the trips you are looking at and people will be able to advise accordingly. Some operators don't have driver swaps en route so you may not have to worry about that, The 078 have driver breaks built into the timetable (normally a 30-45 at Tamworth Services) so on that one you get a refreshment break but no driver swap. There's a lot of variation between the routes and operators as to how well it runs.
 
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One thing I'd say is that while services do change a lot, most of the changes currently are additional trips or minor retiming's (5-10 minutes or so). Some operators are a lot more stable than others too on the network. Whippets being one such operators that I've found to be more unreliable than others both in terms of faffing around while on trips, but also cancelling trips.

My advice would be to ask on a group which operator runs the trips you are looking at and people will be able to advise accordingly. Some operators don't have driver swaps en route so you may not have to worry about that, The 078 have driver breaks built into the timetable (normally a 30-45 at Tamworth Services) so on that one you get a refreshment break but no driver swap. There's a lot of variation between the routes and operators as to how well it runs.
The Whippets fleet has been hammered from the National Express days.They need to up their game or get a new fleet
 

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I thought I'd grace you with the April service changes (March changes are in post #1644). Generally being quite a large expansion but one or two cuts to be had as well. There is a lot where operators aren't known, or at least aren't known for certain. Unless I am certain, or believe information beyond reasonable doubt, I have just put operator unknown. If anyone can fill in the gaps, it would be really helpful.

Just a disclaimer, the list below may not be all of the changes, it is a list of changes that I and others have found with lots of searching on the Flixbus site, Flixbus open data (kindly put into a user friendly way by bustimes.org), and a number of helpful contributors on the Flixbus UK Enthusiasts Facebook Page.
DateRouteChange
1st April045 Plymouth - LondonService enhanced to run daily. Operator unknown
1st AprilN45 Plymouth - LondonService enhanced to run 4 days per week each way. Operator unknown
1st AprilN603 Manchester - ParisAdditionally runs Wed to Paris and Thurs to Manchester
3rd April020 Birmingham - LondonServices retimed. 2 additional round trips daily which will be operated by Prospect
3rd April023 Manchester - LondonTrips retimed, rerouted and additional trips added. Birmingham removed. All buses except Chalfont will call as Manchester Moss Lane. Hearns trips will additionally call at Luton Hosptial. Chalfont trips will call at Northampton Grange Park. As far as is known, Whippets will no longer operate 023 as their trip times are replaced by Belle Vue.
3rd April920 Birmingham - GatwickService enhanced with additional 4 trips per day operated by Prospect
3rd AprilN23 Manchester - LondonService rerouted to serve Manchester Moss Lane and Manchester Airport instead of Liverpool. Service retimed. Service to be taken over by Belle Vue
4th April045 Plymouth - London2 additional short runs plus 2 full London-Plymouth extra trips added between 3rd April and 21st April for school holidays. Operator unknown
10th April021 Liverpool - London2 additional round trips added. Warrington and Chester added. Operated by Prospect
10th AprilN21 Liverpool - LondonNew night service from Liverpool to London via Chester, Birmingham, Coventry and Northampton. Operates daily. Operated by Prospect
13th April042 Cardiff - London08:15 from Cardiff & 13:30 from London retimed to be around 3 hours later. Plus minor retimings
13th April046 Swansea - LondonRetimings
13th April940 Swansea - GatwickNewport-Swansea shorts cut. New Newport-Gatwick trip operated by Newport Coach. Retimings
17th April002 Leeds - LondonReduced to 2 buses daily (08:15/16:30 ex Bradford, 09:00/15:00 ex London).
17th April004 Nottingham - LondonIncreased to run 8 trips per day each way. Times changed. Operators unknown
17th April005 Leicester - LondonTimetable completely changed. Now 6 trips per day with 2 each way extending to Loughborough. Operators unknown
17th April006 Cambridge - LondonAdditional trips added daily. Operator not confirmed but presumed to be Whippets
17th April007 Norwich - LondonNew route introduced running twice daily Norwich - UEA - Thetford - London Stratford (doesn't call at Victoria). Operated by Travel Made Simple (Vectare)
17th April021 Liverpool - London2 additional round trips daily. Operator not officially confirmed but presumed to be Ashcroft Mini Travel
17th April044 Gloucester - LondonNew service linking Gloucester, Cheltenham & Swindon to Heathrow and London. Operating upto 4 round trips daily. Operator unknown
17th April071 Manchester - BristolMinor retimings
17th April072 Liverpool - HullHull trips retimes to be around 1 hour earlier. Warrington - Liverpool shorts replaced with Manchester - Liverpool trips. 2 additional round trips daily between Leeds and Liverpool operated by J&B
17th April073 Manchester - NewcastleTrips retimed. Some trips swapping Middlesborough & Sunderland stops. Additional round trip 10:20 Newcastle-Manc, 15:50 Manc-Newcastle, operator unknown
17th April074 Manchester - YorkWarrington removed. Trips to Liverpool diverted via Manchester Airport. Minor retimings
17th April075 Bradford - BirminghamNew daily trip via Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham and Leicester operated by J&B
17th April077 South Wales - BirminghamNew service daily from Cardiff to Birmingham via Bristol & Cheltenham. Operator unknown
17th April079 Manchester - LeicesterService increases to operate daily, still operated by Belle Vue
17th April093 Glasgow - Inverness16:45 trip from Inverness has minor retimings
17th April900 Nottingham - GatwickNew service operating Nottingham to Gatwick via Leicester, Northampton and Heathrow. Operating upto 5 trips per day. Operator unconfirmed but looks to be Chalfont (based off every trip serving Northampton town or having a timed stop at Chalfonts normal driver changeover place).
17th April910 Swansea - Bristol AirportTimetable revised and standardised to run 6 trips daily. Remains fully operated by Cymru Coaches


In other related news, Flixbus drivers jobs page gives us an idea of another operator joining the network. Vectare/Travel Made Simple/Central Connect (whatever name you refer to them as), are joining the network and will be operating out of their Loughborough base using Yutongs, on a London service (the webpage does have some bits of inaccurate information for other operators though so not sure how correct it is)

It's vague on a start date but this would look like the 005 journeys above which have been extended to/from Loughborough (replacing trips at similar times currently operated by Chalfont), but I'm not 100%. I am aware though that Vectare Made Simple Connect MD is on the forum and may provide more details.

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The 044 could be First maybe? Considering it's about a 45 minute drive from Lawrence Hill depot to Gloucester?
 

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There looks to be direct services from Nottingham to Heathrow bookable from mid May. Not looked in too much detail, but Flix site seemed to suggest Nottingham - Leicester - Heathrow. Any further details on route no/operator?
 

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There looks to be direct services from Nottingham to Heathrow bookable from mid May. Not looked in too much detail, but Flix site seemed to suggest Nottingham - Leicester - Heathrow. Any further details on route no/operator?
It's the 900, showing up on bustimes.org. Possibly Trentbarton, but may need correcting on that.
 

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There looks to be direct services from Nottingham to Heathrow bookable from mid May. Not looked in too much detail, but Flix site seemed to suggest Nottingham - Leicester - Heathrow. Any further details on route no/operator?
That is service 900 in the above change list which will be starting 17th April. It's mostly Nottingham to Gatwick via Leicester, Northampton and Heathrow, but there seems to be some short trips in the mix too but these are only just showing up so i've not got full details on them. From 12th June, there are a few more trips added, plus 2 trips extended to Derby.


Chalfont are extremely likely to be the operator as all of the bus duties start/finish in Leicester, Chalfonts journeys on the 005 finish on the same day that the 900 starts (so moving the resource), every single trip operates via Northampton Town Centre or has a timed stop on the M1 Jct 15 which is where Chalfont always have had their driver changeovers (they did the same on NatEx). Also the Flixbus driver jobs page says that Chalfont will be running Heathrow and Gatwick routes.

It's not confirmed, but far too much points towards Chalfont.
 

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Flixbus seem to be going after the airport routes now offering the same routes as National Express.
 

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Does anybody know who runs the Bristol to Manchester service? I haven't booked my return from Bristol yet and there is a direct Flixbus for less than £10 which is only 30 minutes slower than the train (there is a stop 2.5 miles out of the city centre, which I can get a lift from). I am tempted to book as the journey time is barely any slower than the train. Does anybody know the full route? If it starts some in Cornwall or Devon it might put me off a bit as it is more likely to be delayed. I am guessing it does actually start at Bristol, I assume it must stop at Birmingham too but I can't see how it is possible in 3.5 hours.

National Express is also an option, but I have to change at Birmingham so it is a lot slower, but the hour change at Birmingham might be a good thing as a leg stretch even if Digbeth Coach station is not one of my favourite places!
 

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Does anybody know who runs the Bristol to Manchester service? I haven't booked my return from Bristol yet and there is a direct Flixbus for less than £10 which is only 30 minutes slower than the train (there is a stop 2.5 miles out of the city centre, which I can get a lift from). I am tempted to book as the journey time is barely any slower than the train. Does anybody know the full route? If it starts some in Cornwall or Devon it might put me off a bit as it is more likely to be delayed. I am guessing it does actually start at Bristol, I assume it must stop at Birmingham too but I can't see how it is possible in 3.5 hours.

National Express is also an option, but I have to change at Birmingham so it is a lot slower, but the hour change at Birmingham might be a good thing as a leg stretch even if Digbeth Coach station is not one of my favourite places!
The Bristol-Manchester 071 is between those cities only (no Birmingham stop, doesn't start anywhere else) - hence the quick journey time. Can't remember who runs it, it might have changed recently?
 

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The Bristol-Manchester 071 is between those cities only (no Birmingham stop, doesn't start anywhere else) - hence the quick journey time. Can't remember who runs it, it might have changed recently?

That sounds great, one minor anxiety I have about coaches is if I have luggage in the hold and it stops at lots of places I am always looking out of the window to make sure my luggage doesn't go walk about, although I never have anything valuable in in the hold anyway. If the service is direct then I find it a bit more relaxing, especially if I get a seat to myself at Bristol! I wouldn't have thought there was so much demand between the two cities as the train is quite regular too.
 

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That sounds great, one minor anxiety I have about coaches is if I have luggage in the hold and it stops at lots of places I am always looking out of the window to make sure my luggage doesn't go walk about, although I never have anything valuable in in the hold anyway. If the service is direct then I find it a bit more relaxing, especially if I get a seat to myself at Bristol! I wouldn't have thought there was so much demand between the two cities as the train is quite regular too.
The train is incredibly pricey for what only amounts to a 30 minute faster journey. I've used both the Flixbus and Megabus between Bristol and Manchester. The Flixbus was around this time last year when McGill's ran the service from Bristol to Scotland via Birmingham, Manchester Airport etc, think I only paid about £8 one way.
 

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Does anybody know who runs the Bristol to Manchester service?
Belle Vue run the current 2 trips. There is a 3rd round trip (morning from Bristol & afternoon from Manchester) which is meant to be starting on the 15th May which according to job adverts, looks to be operated by First Not sure when you are planning your journey so thought the extra info may be useful.

If the service is direct then I find it a bit more relaxing, especially if I get a seat to myself at Bristol! I wouldn't have thought there was so much demand between the two cities as the train is quite regular too.
It's definitely direct bar possibly a driver swap around Sandbach/Keele. Beyond that the route is literally just Bristol, Manchester Moss Lane, Manchester Shudehill.

It seems to be doing alright passenger wise. While there are trains, they are unreliable, overcrowded and overpriced (new slogan for CrossCountry I think) and I think that NatEx used to do good business here but with them now forcing you to change coaches in Birmingham, people are doing the same as you and considering other options.
Having good and regular trains, can sometimes be a good indicator of where there can be a good coach route. Ie Manchester - London has trains every 20 minutes but there are still around 2 coaches per hour. Bristol to London has really good trains but still manages around 3 coaches per hour (roughly). Manchester to Leeds had both very regular trains and coaches. Just a few examples but having good trains doesn't tend to directly correlate to low coach demand.
 

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Thanks I am just going to book it :). I am getting there by train but going spending a night in Birmingham and each train was only £15, so I can live with a £30 train ticket from Manchester to Bristol and if it is delayed massively I will get some of it back :).
 

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I thought I'd grace you with the April service changes (March changes are in post #1644). Generally being quite a large expansion but one or two cuts to be had as well. There is a lot where operators aren't known, or at least aren't known for certain. Unless I am certain, or believe information beyond reasonable doubt, I have just put operator unknown. If anyone can fill in the gaps, it would be really helpful.

Just a disclaimer, the list below may not be all of the changes, it is a list of changes that I and others have found with lots of searching on the Flixbus site, Flixbus open data (kindly put into a user friendly way by bustimes.org), and a number of helpful contributors on the Flixbus UK Enthusiasts Facebook Page.
DateRouteChange
1st April045 Plymouth - LondonService enhanced to run daily. Operator unknown
1st AprilN45 Plymouth - LondonService enhanced to run 4 days per week each way. Operator unknown
1st AprilN603 Manchester - ParisAdditionally runs Wed to Paris and Thurs to Manchester
3rd April020 Birmingham - LondonServices retimed. 2 additional round trips daily which will be operated by Prospect
3rd April023 Manchester - LondonTrips retimed, rerouted and additional trips added. Birmingham removed. All buses except Chalfont will call as Manchester Moss Lane. Hearns trips will additionally call at Luton Hosptial. Chalfont trips will call at Northampton Grange Park. As far as is known, Whippets will no longer operate 023 as their trip times are replaced by Belle Vue.
3rd April920 Birmingham - GatwickService enhanced with additional 4 trips per day operated by Prospect
3rd AprilN23 Manchester - LondonService rerouted to serve Manchester Moss Lane and Manchester Airport instead of Liverpool. Service retimed. Service to be taken over by Belle Vue
4th April045 Plymouth - London2 additional short runs plus 2 full London-Plymouth extra trips added between 3rd April and 21st April for school holidays. Operator unknown
10th April021 Liverpool - London2 additional round trips added. Warrington and Chester added. Operated by Prospect
10th AprilN21 Liverpool - LondonNew night service from Liverpool to London via Chester, Birmingham, Coventry and Northampton. Operates daily. Operated by Prospect
13th April042 Cardiff - London08:15 from Cardiff & 13:30 from London retimed to be around 3 hours later. Plus minor retimings
13th April046 Swansea - LondonRetimings
13th April940 Swansea - GatwickNewport-Swansea shorts cut. New Newport-Gatwick trip operated by Newport Coach. Retimings
17th April002 Leeds - LondonReduced to 2 buses daily (08:15/16:30 ex Bradford, 09:00/15:00 ex London).
17th April004 Nottingham - LondonIncreased to run 8 trips per day each way. Times changed. Operators unknown
17th April005 Leicester - LondonTimetable completely changed. Now 6 trips per day with 2 each way extending to Loughborough. Operators unknown
17th April006 Cambridge - LondonAdditional trips added daily. Operator not confirmed but presumed to be Whippets
17th April007 Norwich - LondonNew route introduced running twice daily Norwich - UEA - Thetford - London Stratford (doesn't call at Victoria). Operated by Travel Made Simple (Vectare)
17th April021 Liverpool - London2 additional round trips daily. Operator not officially confirmed but presumed to be Ashcroft Mini Travel
17th April044 Gloucester - LondonNew service linking Gloucester, Cheltenham & Swindon to Heathrow and London. Operating upto 4 round trips daily. Operator unknown
17th April071 Manchester - BristolMinor retimings
17th April072 Liverpool - HullHull trips retimes to be around 1 hour earlier. Warrington - Liverpool shorts replaced with Manchester - Liverpool trips. 2 additional round trips daily between Leeds and Liverpool operated by J&B
17th April073 Manchester - NewcastleTrips retimed. Some trips swapping Middlesborough & Sunderland stops. Additional round trip 10:20 Newcastle-Manc, 15:50 Manc-Newcastle, operator unknown
17th April074 Manchester - YorkWarrington removed. Trips to Liverpool diverted via Manchester Airport. Minor retimings
17th April075 Bradford - BirminghamNew daily trip via Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham and Leicester operated by J&B
17th April077 South Wales - BirminghamNew service daily from Cardiff to Birmingham via Bristol & Cheltenham. Operator unknown
17th April079 Manchester - LeicesterService increases to operate daily, still operated by Belle Vue
17th April093 Glasgow - Inverness16:45 trip from Inverness has minor retimings
17th April900 Nottingham - GatwickNew service operating Nottingham to Gatwick via Leicester, Northampton and Heathrow. Operating upto 5 trips per day. Operator unconfirmed but looks to be Chalfont (based off every trip serving Northampton town or having a timed stop at Chalfonts normal driver changeover place).
17th April910 Swansea - Bristol AirportTimetable revised and standardised to run 6 trips daily. Remains fully operated by Cymru Coaches
Thanks: looks like some good stuff there. I think First's depots in west and south west England will be having a hand in some of these improvements. FirstBus announced in a news release of 06-Nov-2024 an order of 21x Yutong GT12 with depots in Bath, Bristol, Taunton, Truro and Weston-super-Mare (among others) operating services alongside depots in Slough and Yorkshire. Their partnership with Flixbus was announced as being for a 5 year period.

FirstBus (06-Nov-2024) said:
First Bus, one of the UK’s leading bus operators and global travel tech company FlixBus today announce a new five-year partnership, bringing eight new or expanded FlixBus coach routes across the UK next year. [...] The addition of First Bus will significantly boost FlixBus' daily services across the South-West of England and expand routes in northern cities including Leeds, Manchester, and Newcastle. First Bus depots in Bath, Bristol, Slough, Taunton, Truro, Weston-super-Mare and in Yorkshire will operate services.
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As part of the investment in the partnership, First Bus is purchasing 21 Yutong GT12 express coaches. [...] The new routes span across the country and will launch from spring 2025.
(From https://news.firstbus.co.uk/news/fi...-they-partner-to-launch-new-uk-coach-services)

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First must be getting going soon.. service uplift on the 045 to 4 a day comes very soon - then additional 2 to Cornwall each way (Falmouth/penzance) from 15th May. Any of the yutongs ready yet?
 

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I did read an article a few days ago saying that Eurocoaches of Yate is also joining the Flixbus network. I would like to link/quote the article I read but I'm still quite new and don't know how things work here.
 

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I did read an article a few days ago saying that Eurocoaches of Yate is also joining the Flixbus network. I would like to link/quote the article I read but I'm still quite new and don't know how things work here.
Maybe they will run some of the 045 extras between berry’s pulling out and first starting?
 

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I did read an article a few days ago saying that Eurocoaches of Yate is also joining the Flixbus network. I would like to link/quote the article I read but I'm still quite new and don't know how things work here.

Correct, Volvo 7900 BR12 ZOL is now in Flixbus green, having formerly been Megabus branded.
 

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Took the N31 from Glasgow to Sheffield the other night. Got a bonus half hour stop at Wetherby services, as we were running early. Drivers were good at delivering message about calls and loudspeakers at the start of the journey. Did book 2 seats for myself, although someone sat in the seat next to me from Leeds, which would be petty if I said no. Not sure about there seat reservation, some people move and plonk themselves wherever. I must say the Yutongs have tighter legroom than the volvos and tourismos.
 
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Took the N31 from Glasgow to Sheffield the other night. Got a bonus half hour stop at Wetherby services, as we were running early. Drivers were good at delivering message about calls and loudspeakers at the start of the journey. Did book 2 seats for myself, although someone sat in the seat next to me from Leeds, which would be petty if I said no. Not sure about there seat reservation, some people move and plonk themselves wherever. I must say the Yutongs have tighter legroom than the volvos and tourismos.
Yutongs are good buses drive wise but the seating is woeful, absolutely no legroom whatsoever even for fairly small people
 

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Berry’s seem to be operating the service uplift again on the 045.. just until first can take over? Seen multiple berry’s branded vehicles and 1 green FlixBus on the route the past few days
 

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Berry’s seem to be operating the service uplift again on the 045.. just until first can take over? Seen multiple berry’s branded vehicles and 1 green FlixBus on the route the past few days
Do you know which trips you spotted as there are 2 sets of 045 timetables in the go? The daily normal service, and also a separate school holiday timetable on top of that (school holiday timetable being the London-Taunton short trips and 1 middayish trip each way London-Plymouth).


From 17th April Flixbus will be using nottingham broadmarsh bus stn
Good news they are moving into the interchange. They are using stand 1 though rather than the coach stands, so either lots of changes have been made to the stand to make it completely open for all coaches, or its just yet another example of Flixbus choosing stops which are not accessible for wheelchair passengers and putting disabled access as the lowest priority. With Flix track record, I'm guessing the latter?
 

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Bournemouth, Southampton and Poole to join the network with a partnership with Go South Coast via their Excelsior coaching unit:


Excelsior Coaches has become a FlixBus partner operator as the brand expands to the Dorset and Hampshire coast for the first time.

The Go-Ahead subsidiary will operate FlixBus-branded services from Southampton, Bournemouth, and Poole, linking those locations with Heathrow Airport and London.

Excelsior, which is based in Pimperne, Dorset, will introduce four Temsa HD12 vehicles to the network and operate five times a day in each direction.

“Our new partnership with Excelsior completes our network and achieves full coverage of the UK for FlixBus, marking a key milestone in our growth journey and road to market leadership,” says Andreas Schorling, Senior Managing Director of FlixBus UK.

Excelsior, which has been established for more than 90 years, provides day trips, group tours, airport transfers, school services and coach hire.

David Lee-Kong, operations director at Excelsior, says: “FlixBus has brought the express coach market into the 21st century through its innovative model, advanced technology, and strong customer proposition.

“We are proud to be the first partner in the South of England, supporting the growth of FlixBus network and enhancing connectivity for residents across our key locations.”

FlixBus, which was launched in the UK in 2021, believes it will have more than 200 coaches on its network by the peak of this summer.

“Excelsior has a fantastic local customer base and extensive experience in delivering high-quality express coach services,” adds Mr Schorling. “They are the ideal partner to bring our affordable, sustainable, and reliable transport brand to new cities in the South, and we are delighted to serve millions more passengers with the opportunity for travel this summer.”
 

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Do you know which trips you spotted as there are 2 sets of 045 timetables in the go? The daily normal service, and also a separate school holiday timetable on top of that (school holiday timetable being the London-Taunton short trips and 1 middayish trip each way London-Plymouth).



Good news they are moving into the interchange. They are using stand 1 though rather than the coach stands, so either lots of changes have been made to the stand to make it completely open for all coaches, or its just yet another example of Flixbus choosing stops which are not accessible for wheelchair passengers and putting disabled access as the lowest priority. With Flix track record, I'm guessing the latter?
I haven’t seen any of the Taunton shorts - but believe I’ve seen the middayish trip and the regular trip. I’ve seen their decker coach, the green FlixBus vanHool and a single decker VDL (although not 100% sure if that was in flix work) - didn’t get close enough to check
 

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