Flybe 2.0 has gone into administration

[WestCoast]

I agree, but my point was more that they appear a lot more expensive than EasyJet on UK regional flights because they don't separate out the hold luggage. IME when travelling off the rock there's usually not much between Loganair and EasyJet when I take a hold bag, or even a sensibly sized cabin bag. But they have a reputation here for being expensive because their headline fare is higher.

(Also worth noting that when I don't need to take a bag they actually are more expensive!)

You're bang on there, looking on Skyscanner this Thursday afternoon, the easyJet headline fare is £36 but when you add in a proper cabin bag it jumps up right away to £61. The Loganair flight two hours earlier is £61 where you could check-in a proper cabin bag and a 15kg bag too! I think Loganair could definitely improve their marketing of that!

To be fair Eastern Airways manage to make Loganair look cheap whenever I've cast an eye over their fares.

Bring back BMI Baby

Worth it for a ride on their ancient Jestream 41s, although take your earplugs!

 

[william.martin]

Any word on if another airline could take over from them but use the same aircraft and operate the same routes?

 

[Butts]

Any word on if another airline could take over from them but use the same aircraft and operate the same routes?

Problem was they only had 8 Aircraft which hampered their viability.

The Landing Slots at Heathrow are probably the most valuable asset they had as the planes will be leased.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Any word on if another airline could take over from them but use the same aircraft and operate the same routes?

I think the viability of the routes was an issue - too "thin" and regional. And if XC ever bucks its ideas up, they'd be even less viable.

 

[PsychoMouse]

Any word on if another airline could take over from them but use the same aircraft and operate the same routes?

That's mostly why they went bust. Using older, more-uncomfortable-than-a-jet aircraft, on low frequency timetables, on routes nobody wants to fly or on busy routes against large established airlines, for fares which aren't any better than the competition.

Flybe should've stayed dead.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Using older, more-uncomfortable-than-a-jet aircraft,

Flybe's Dash-8s weren't particularly old, 10-15 years, and no older than Easyjet's A319 fleet. But there is always an assumption with the public that turboprops are some 50s relic.

 

[PsychoMouse]

Flybe's Dash-8s weren't particularly old, 10-15 years, and no older than Easyjet's A319 fleet. But there is always an assumption with the public that turboprops are some 50s relic.

This is true, though they are/were some of the oldest Q400s around. I was more commenting compared to the average age vs Easyjet and Ryanair who are taking on A319NEOs and 737Maxs very quickly.

The interiors weren't great either

 

[cactustwirly]

This is true, though they are/were some of the oldest Q400s around. I was more commenting compared to the average age vs Easyjet and Ryanair who are taking on A319NEOs and 737Maxs very quickly.

The interiors weren't great either

They are newer than a lot of the A320 fleet in BA!
Some of them are from 2002 and 2003

 

[swt_passenger]

This is true, though they are/were some of the oldest Q400s around. I was more commenting compared to the average age vs Easyjet and Ryanair who are taking on A319NEOs and 737Maxs very quickly.

The interiors weren't great either

Also, weren’t Flybe’s cabin baggage maximum dimensions about the smallest in the known universe?

 

[PsychoMouse]

They are newer than a lot of the A320 fleet in BA!
Some of them are from 2002 and 2003

At least BA aren't still flying the a320-100s haha

 

[Bald Rick]

A319NEOs

Easyjet are taking on A320/1neos, not A319s. In fact they are retiring their 319s in the next few years.

Given their designation, perhaps an enterprising lease company might see an opportunity to hybridise the 319s, for services from Manchester, Cardiff and Gatwick Airports

 

[PsychoMouse]

Easyjet are taking on A320/1neos, not A319s. In fact they are retiring their 319s in the next few years.

Given their designation, perhaps an enterprising lease company might see an opportunity to hybridise the 319s, for services from Manchester, Cardiff and Gatwick Airports

Yes sorry I meant a320s.

 

[route101]

Some of the A319s are getting a bit tired now, flew a 16 year old one few weeks back.

I flew Flybe last month to Birmingham, flight was on time and the fare was cheap booked last minute.

 

[Irascible]

Flybe would have taken any Dash 8 old or not. Couple of their originals are firebombers now, which is usually shorthand for "knackered". No point taking over the operation if you can't get enough aircrraft.

Logan took most the internal routes ( why did you put an ATR on the Edinburgh run & move the e145 to Newcastle, Logan? ), Blue Island & Aurigny picked up a couple from the SW. There were a few not-Flybe routes that only they served but I think it was under a quarter.

 

[route101]

Flybe would have taken any Dash 8 old or not. Couple of their originals are firebombers now, which is usually shorthand for "knackered". No point taking over the operation if you can't get enough aircrraft.

Logan took most the internal routes ( why did you put an ATR on the Edinburgh run & move the e145 to Newcastle, Logan? ), Blue Island & Aurigny picked up a couple from the SW. There were a few not-Flybe routes that only they served but I think it was under a quarter.

What do you mean about the ATR to Edinburgh with Loganair?

 

[Irascible]

What do you mean about the ATR to Edinburgh with Loganair?

Haven't checked in a while because I haven't had to, but Logan had an ATR on the Exeter-Edinburgh route when it's usually an e145 recently ( and I've forgotten the exact timing but it coincided with an announcement of a Newcastle route ). Not the biggest fan of ATRs ( tbh not the biggest fan of that size of turboprop for travel, but I recognise the need ).

 

[YorkshireBear]

In my general perusing of FR24 I don't particularly notice consistency in the loganair aircraft allocations for their main north to south routes. And even when you think you've identified a consistent deployment it changes.

It was always the same when I regularly flew Manchester to Inverness, mostly an E145 but occasionally a saab2000 or even rarer a saab340

 

[PsychoMouse]

In my general perusing of FR24 I don't particularly notice consistency in the loganair aircraft allocations for their main north to south routes. And even when you think you've identified a consistent deployment it changes.

It was always the same when I regularly flew Manchester to Inverness, mostly an E145 but occasionally a saab2000 or even rarer a saab340

I expect they're particularly vulnerable to aircraft swaps due to the diversity and small size of the fleet. One unexpected problem and their fleet allocation goes out the window.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Haven't checked in a while because I haven't had to, but Logan had an ATR on the Exeter-Edinburgh route when it's usually an e145 recently

Loganair have a small fleet, so if any aircraft go tech it causes issues. If either of the two ATR72s based here go tech then you have to wait for them to fix it or fly a spare plane over, which is usually an E145 from Teesside or Aberdeen.

The E145 also has fewer seats than the ATR72, so I imagine they'll sub in an ATR72 for their busiest days on a route. Likewise I'd imagine them to sub an ATR42 for lightly loaded flights as it's cheaper to run. Also IIRC most of their Edinburgh base is the ATR42, its the ATR42 they use for the Edinburgh-IOM return.