Flying Scotsman

[MarkyT]

"The Flying Scotsman" is the King'sCross to Edinburgh train, not the engine, which is called 'Flying Scotsman'.

Normal people don't realise or care about the semantic difference between a train service and a locomotive name. To them it is one and the same. We can not all be perfect and it really isn't worth the level of spotterish wibble and sneering this simple mistake seems to cause.

Complicated by the fact that many people refer to a locomotive as a train as well! Bear in mind the LNER, clever publicists as they were, deliberately named the the brand new loco after the train service before it went on display at the Wembley exhibition, thus advertising not only their latest engineering marvel but their premier long distance passenger service as well to all who laid eyes on her (but it's a ScotsMAN how can it be a her? Oh, another inconsistency!). I suspect the NRM is also gently and wilfully exploiting the confusion between the train and the loco among the public, whilst their railway experts and historians appreciate the difference very well, just like most enthusiasts. I can't see a problem really if it brings more publicity and sales. Filming for the Robson Green programme, my dad Peter was interviewed for hours walking around Doncaster works, talking about original construction and current restortion of the locomotive in particular and his experience of working in that place in the 1940s. No wonder he picked up Mr Green on referring to the loco as a train. Unfortunately that was one of the very few short extracts of the extensive shoot producers chose to put in the final cut. As in previous programmes on the subject I think a single one hour episode is too short to really do justice to telling the loco's (and train's!) entire history from construction through it's many adventures in preservation to today's NRM resurrection. Frankly though it was amazing such a specialised programme went out in such a prime time slot at all.

 

[Deepgreen]

On the basis of that image you might end up seeing a cloud rather than a locomotive!

Once it had all calmed down, there was a better view...

 

[lorcanstrains1]

i saw the flying scotsman the other day https://youtu.be/8YJnNaPpHEM this is my youtube channel the flying scotsman is at the end of the video

 

[Trainfan344]

I'm hoping someone in this thread will be able to clear this up, according to this facebook post, Flying Scotsman will be travelling from Euston to Crewe via Stoke-on-Trent on the 15th June.

However, the article linked makes no mention of this, can somebody clear up as to whether or not Flying Scotsman is coming through Stoke-on-Trent?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Harbornite]

Once it had all calmed down, there was a better view...

Nice shot, at least you weren't bowled out.

 

[ainsworth74]

Once it had all calmed down, there was a better view...

Ah that's a very nice shot!

 

[Deepgreen]

I'm hoping someone in this thread will be able to clear this up, according to this facebook post, Flying Scotsman will be travelling from Euston to Crewe via Stoke-on-Trent on the 15th June.

However, the article linked makes no mention of this, can somebody clear up as to whether or not Flying Scotsman is coming through Stoke-on-Trent?

Thanks in advance.

Currently it is planned for 60103 to haul the 'Emerald Isle Explorer' from Euston to Holyhead (for Ireland) on 15 June, and the return trip on 23 June. 'Steam Dreams' is the tour operator.

 

[sprinterguy]

Currently it is planned for 60103 to haul the 'Emerald Isle Explorer' from Euston to Holyhead (for Ireland) on 15 June, and the return trip on 23 June. 'Steam Dreams' is the tour operator.

Although the official Flying Scotsman tour page (http://www.flyingscotsman.org.uk/events/scotsman-on-the-tracks/) states that "Flying Scotsman" will haul the train only between Crewe and Holyhead, and Steam Dreams state that the return leg of the "Emerald Isle Explorer" on the 23rd will be via modern Virgin Trains service, with no mention of a working for "Flying Scotsman" on the 23rd on the official tour page, either.

http://www.steamdreams.com/Executab...ayTours&SS=SDSVR01\&DB=SteamDreams&Division=A

 

[Deepgreen]

Although the official Flying Scotsman tour page (http://www.flyingscotsman.org.uk/events/scotsman-on-the-tracks/) states that "Flying Scotsman" will haul the train only between Crewe and Holyhead, and Steam Dreams state that the return leg of the "Emerald Isle Explorer" on the 23rd will be via modern Virgin Trains service, with no mention of a working for "Flying Scotsman" on the 23rd on the official tour page, either.

http://www.steamdreams.com/Executab...ayTours&SS=SDSVR01\&DB=SteamDreams&Division=A

My information came from the 'UKSteam' site, but that may not be up-to-date.

 

[PowerLee]

My local newspaper has 2 upcoming dates including route info the loco will be taking.

Exact word at end of artical: Members of the public are advised not trespass on the railway or private property.

 

[Cundy66]

Hi tomorrows Lon Vic - Yrk via Leicester.

I tried to find timing for it on realtimetrains and nothing showing, does anyone know what time it will pass/call at Bedford?

Thanks

 

[Steveman]

Once it had all calmed down, there was a better view...

Great picture that is well done.

 

[6Gman]

My local newspaper has 2 upcoming dates including route info the loco will be taking.

Exact word at end of artical: Members of the public are advised not trespass on the railway or private property.

"must" should replace "are advised" ?

 

[TH172341]

Hi tomorrows Lon Vic - Yrk via Leicester.

I tried to find timing for it on realtimetrains and nothing showing, does anyone know what time it will pass/call at Bedford?

Thanks

It is on the Railway Touring Co website - according to that around 8:50am on its trip up to York.

Let's just hope there's no trespassing and that it's a clear run!

 

[Polarbear]

Unfortunately, there have been reports of some trespass on the MML today. Lots of enthusiasts around York awaiting its arrival but I didn't see anyone where they shouldn't be.

 

[birchesgreen]

NRM put a photo on twitter on people so close to the lineside a Turbostar on the other line looked like it was about to turn them into mince.

 

[theageofthetra]

Have seen that photo- these morons even have a young boy with them.

 

[ryan125hst]

Hi tomorrows Lon Vic - Yrk via Leicester.

I tried to find timing for it on realtimetrains and nothing showing, does anyone know what time it will pass/call at Bedford?

Thanks

It looks like Realtime Trains is still suffering from the hard drive issues it had on Thursday as both Flying Scotsman's tour and Tornado's tour wasn't on RTT today at all yet both were showing on Open Train Times so it's not as if Network Rail withheld the times. I've not seen a path missing on one website but not the other before. I can only assume the data was missed as a result of the issues RTT had? Only a guess though.

 

[TH172341]

What morons they are for trespassing - if this continues it's going to ruin it for everyone and is going to result in someone getting killed or seriously injured. If that 170 was on the move then no hope if it hits you. It is frustrating that a minority continue to do such acts despite the repeated warnings from the TOCs/NRM/Network Rail... :-x

 

[zn1]

drivers should be told to stay at linespeed and anyone in the way ...hard luck....it doesnt matter how fast or slow a line is - trains will kill or injure a person as do rails and sleepers they dont care...they are objects and vehicles - hope every trespassing gricer gets prosecuted ...fine 10k...it will take the death of one for em to realise its not a playground...how many do this on a motorway ??

 

[Dave1987]

Pictures like this will get the train banned from mainline. People seemingly cannot be trusted.

 

[eMeS]

Hi tomorrows Lon Vic - Yrk via Leicester.
...what time it will pass/call at Bedford?
Thanks

It was scheduled to leave Bedford at 08:50, and I joined around 70+ others at Bromham and had excellent views, courtesy of the local Allotments Association. There was no trespassing, the crowd was well behaved and I must thank the Bromham Allotments Association for providing parking, and bacon rolls - as well as a good position from which to video. Excellent!

Reviewing my videos I note that whilst most age groups were viewing, there was a distinct shortage of teenagers and the 20s age group. (Too early in the day?)

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

What morons they are for trespassing - if this continues it's going to ruin it for everyone and is going to result in someone getting killed or seriously injured. If that 170 was on the move then no hope if it hits you. It is frustrating that a minority continue to do such acts despite the repeated warnings from the TOCs/NRM/Network Rail... :-x

There is a picture floating around twitter taken by the driver of the 170

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

drivers should be told to stay at linespeed and anyone in the way ...hard luck....it doesnt matter how fast or slow a line is - trains will kill or injure a person as do rails and sleepers they dont care...they are objects and vehicles - hope every trespassing gricer gets prosecuted ...fine 10k...

I did hear that when Flying Scotsman was in Scotland recently, there were plans to prosecute these trespassers, I don't know if that did happen and if so, what the penalties were, but I would agree they should be severe, fines, confiscation, jail?. A few spoiling it for everyone. I hope there was not alot of trespass on the MML yesterday.

It does sound though from what I read here that others did act with responsibility and the allotment people sounded great.

York must have been busy yesterday with two steamers in.

 

[DarloRich]

It was scheduled to leave Bedford at 08:50, and I joined around 70+ others at Bromham and had excellent views, courtesy of the local Allotments Association. There was no trespassing, the crowd was well behaved and I must thank the Bromham Allotments Association for providing parking, and bacon rolls - as well as a good position from which to video. Excellent!

Reviewing my videos I note that whilst most age groups were viewing, there was a distinct shortage of teenagers and the 20s age group. (Too early in the day?)

I was at Bedford Station ( i hoped for the road bridge to the north but it was full!) and it was busy but there were lots of BTP, TOC & NR staff on hand

EDIT: how do i add a picture?

 

[Harbornite]

I was at Bedford Station ( i hoped for the road bridge to the north but it was full!) and it was busy but there were lots of BTP, TOC & NR staff on hand

EDIT: how do i add a picture?

Go to advanced post settings, click the paper clip icon and choose the file from there. If the picture is on flickr, then copy its address and paste it by clicking on the insert image icon.

 

[DarloRich]

Go to advanced post settings, click the paper clip icon and choose the file from there. If the picture is on flickr, then copy its address and paste it by clicking on the insert image icon.

thanks - resized picture and attached

 

[Harbornite]

thanks - resized picture and attached

That's come out quite well, good thing you weren't bowled by that electrostar.

 

[DarloRich]

That's come out quite well, good thing you weren't bowled by that electrostar.

Cheers! The electrostar was parked up. It also meant that few people took the decision to stand on platform 2, at least initially. I have some better ones to upload to flickr but i have a vast back log.

 

[Mag_seven]

I was on the 09.15 St Pancras Nottingham and I passed it while it was sitting in Kettering. North of the station the crowds were all well behind the fence apart from one plank who obviously didn't think the trespassing laws applied to him.