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Football specials Nottingham to St. Pancras Sunday 27/04/2025

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On London Marathon day? Who decided that was acceptable :s
Are you saying that you want Network Rail to attach more weight to the convenience of X thousand individuals who happen to be travelling for the same reason, than the convenience of Y thousand individuals who happen to be travelling for different reasons, and are being affected by different engineering works?
 
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Are you saying that you want Network Rail to attach more weight to the convenience of X thousand individuals who happen to be travelling for the same reason, than the convenience of Y thousand individuals who happen to be travelling for different reasons, and are being affected by different engineering works?

Ideally yes, because on a date X thousands are travelling to a major event, approximately the usual Y thousands are also trying to travel for non-event reasons making that a Very Busy Weekend and ideally one to avoid having a major blockade on.

Possession strategy is a complex topic to manage and closures are only by consent of the affected operators but I would expect certain special events to be sacrosanct and in my professional experience the Marathon weekend was always considered to be one of those dates. Perhaps things have changed.
 

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Can we please try to stick to what is actually happening in this thread.

If anyone wants to propose that things are done differently, we do welcome any such suggestions, but please create a new thread in the appropriate forum section.

Thanks :)
 

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Yes I agree, but the Marathon would seem to want the high-capacity cross-London routes open to shift the crowds. That’s different to having closures on one radial route somewhere. Maybe I’m being too logical.

I would counter that by saying that there are lots of alternatives and that the crowds have come from, and will return in, all directions.
What makes the marathon different from most other London events is the early Sunday morning start, which is in Greenwich not Central London.

I doubt that there are any other days of the year when more people are on the first available Sunday morning train to London.

EDIT: apologies to moderators, I was drafting!
 

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The local press coverage suggests most went by coach due to bad experience with queueing etc at Forrest's last Wembley visit.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news...ed-nottingham-forest-railway-station-10135877

One fan, who rushed past the station's empty queue holding a Forest flag, claimed there were "around 40" coaches waiting to take supporters directly to the clash at Wembley Stadium. Fan Jim O'Keeff, 62, when asked if he was going to be taking the train, said: "Absolutely not. Last time we went to Wembley (the 2022 play-off final) the area around the train station and road was full of people trying to get on.

"Anyone who saw that wouldn't want to get the train again. It's not worth the hassle at all." Mr O'Keeff, from Shepshed, explained he was - like many others - walking past the station to get to a coach that would take him straight to Wembley.
 
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(deleted: posted something wrong about the level of service on the Greenwich line, looks like there was a late timetable change that improved the service)
 

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Presumably because the match did not go to extra time and penalties,
1Z80 2215 St Pancras International to Nottingham
was cancelled and then reinstated as
1Z80 2055 St Pancras International to Nottingham

I suppose this was a planned alteration for this result, it seems to make a lot of sense.

Generally the EMR services appear to have run as scheduled, with some modest delays, and were mostly 10 coaches; however, I wonder if they were actually half empty because people were put off due to expecting them to be overcrowded, or because the coach was much cheaper and got you right to Wembley?
Also there was a lot of emphasis on there being a "reduced service" due to the Thameslink closure, but actually there were a lot more EMR seats than on a typical Sunday; people appeared to being steered towards going to Newark for the extra LNER services.

Can anyone report on what the loading were actually like?
 

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I wonder if they were actually half empty because people were put off due to expecting them to be overcrowded, or because the coach was much cheaper and got you right to Wembley?
There were, apparently, close to 40,000 Forest fans at Wembley. Inevitably the majority didn’t go by train but even if 10% did, that represents a significant additional number of passengers on a single flow. It's unlikely that trains were "half empty".
 

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There were, apparently, close to 40,000 Forest fans at Wembley. Inevitably the majority didn’t go by train but even if 10% did, that represents a significant additional number of passengers on a single flow. It's unlikely that trains were "half empty".
Well, that's good if so, I just got the impression everything possible was being done to put them off travelling via EMR, while simultaneously extra provision was being made!
 

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Can anyone report on what the loading were actually like?
Not on EMR, but there were a significant (but manageable) number of Forest fans boarding various trains at Newark towards King's Cross around 1100ish (especially the ex-Lincoln; probably because more seats were available on that), and I also note that LNER did add some additional calls at Newark, as well as a couple of earlier Doncaster starters (for London Marathon) which also called at Newark (thus serving a dual purpose).
 

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If the London Marathon or FA Cup semi-finals or whatever had to have all of London’s railways open they would never take place.
I think it was managed for the Olympics, but something which most host cities see once in a generation and most cities never have at all isn't really comparable to annual or more frequent events.
 

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It largely came across as we were being discouraged to use EMR.

There was a poll on one forum suggesting over 50% would go by car.

In the end we drove to St Albans, got the Thameslink to West Hampstead and then the Jubilee line to Wembley.

We were passed by at least one five car EMR while at West Hampstead.
 

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That figure isn’t remotely surprising under any circumstances. I go to away games regularly and I would be astonished if less than half travelled by car.
In my experience of following my team away, car was generally a solid option until it came to going to London. For London aways, many would ditch the car and take the train entirely, or drive to the edge of London and then get the train/tube. You'd think for a big game that more may ditch the car so they can enjoy a few beverages?
 

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In my experience of following my team away, car was generally a solid option until it came to going to London. For London aways, many would ditch the car and take the train entirely, or drive to the edge of London and then get the train/tube. You'd think for a big game that more may ditch the car so they can enjoy a few beverages?
Maybe but for most clubs a lot of fans don't travel from the 'home' town anyway. As noted somewhere above a goodnumber travelled by train from Newark. However, I still think above 50% going by car is quite normal - and that doesn't stop passengers having a drink. And, let's be clear, if you are sitting in a car from Nottingham to north London and then using the train you were still going by car.
 
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That figure isn’t remotely surprising under any circumstances. I go to away games regularly and I would be astonished if less than half travelled by car.
Wembley matches are an entirely different beast though due to lack of parking options, and I say this as an away member.

Maybe but for most clubs a lot of fans don't travel from the 'home' town anyway. As noted somewhere above a goodnumber travelled by train from Newark. However, I still think above 50% going by car is quite normal - and that doesn't stop passengers having a drink. And, let's be clear, if you are sitting in a car from Nottingham to north London and then using the train you were still going by car.
I know a fair few that went from Grantham.

They were all Nottingham residents but after the playoff farce decided to car share to Grantham and then go to Kings Cross by train.

Are you saying that you want Network Rail to attach more weight to the convenience of X thousand individuals who happen to be travelling for the same reason, than the convenience of Y thousand individuals who happen to be travelling for different reasons, and are being affected by different engineering works?
It is being reported that there were over a million people spectating for the marathon from what I read today.
 

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It is being reported that there were over a million people spectating for the marathon from what I read today.
And many of them won't have ventured far from their own front door.

Wembley matches are an entirely different beast though due to lack of parking options, and I say this as an away member.
As stated, driving to north London and using the train or underground from there still amounts to going by car. When I go to the City Ground I use the train to Nottingham and then walk, but I don't claim to have got to the match on foot.
I know a fair few that went from Grantham.
OK. Newark and Grantham. It doesn't alter the point. You said a poll suggested over 50% would go by car, a point which I am not disputing but you now seem to be.
 
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