High density 24m stock doesn't really suit the operators who need additional or replacement units like Southern or Southeastern though. You could move some 720s to C2C and then cascade some 357s south of the river (assuming they can be converted to operate on 3rd rail), but that would then split the 357s and create yet another Electrostar variation for Southern or Southeastern...
720515 returned with some major upgrades & some seating removed near the doorways same as 511 has.
13 including 502 516 & 137
I wonder - how soon could it be in service ?. There cannot be much work required to get this ready as Willesden have only just received 730025 & 730034 yesterday.
Withy 702 502 having arrived on Monday, I wonder if we're now going to very quickly get all the outstanding 720s in place?
Looks possible. And there was me thinking the last dozen-ish 720s might really be hard to get commissioned as they are predominantly the first ones built so have festered in sidings for the longest (years) on top of what was originally wrong with them.
Willesden appears to be the base for the fault free running required prior to acceptance.
I suspect that all of the 720s haven’t been built or registered in order etc 501 wasn’t the first unit to be built, 511-515 were the first to receive in late 2020 for the first southend vic test run.
Nice only left with 12 to go including 137 & 516. 139 has to do fault free mileage testing before entering ps.
Why would EMUs not be built in numerical order ?. There is no easy way that could accidentally happen and no reason for it deliberately. Far more likely they were built in numerical order (within subclass) but then not introduced in numerical order as those that failed to be completed successfully were sidelined (Worksom, Doncaster , Gascoigne Wood etc) plus the early examples would have no seats and fittings but maybe weights for type testing.
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Yeah, agreed. We certainly need a few more on Clacton services. The first "cheap day" train to London is still 5 car and I've noticed a few other 5 car services during the day that get rammed.
At last I’m glad that’s the last ever unit being delivered before the earlier ones built, I recon 534 & 143 will be the last ones to roll out to ps.Noted 720144 delivered to Willesden today by 47727.
Realtime Trains | 5Q68 0846 Derby Litchurch Lane to Willesden T.M.D | 16/09/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q68 0846 departure from Derby Litchurch Lane to Willesden T.M.D on 16/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
My money is on 104 being the last, as it lost its Pantograph coach to, I think 583 about a year ago
Are there any other 720s running around with coach(es) of another set?
I thought it would be 140.
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Saw 139 at SOV last night on P4. Either 140 or 139 is to be the next onesI thought it would be 140.
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Realtime Trains | 5G48 1620 Shenfield to Southend Victoria | 18/09/2024
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Perhaps shockingly, a study of RTT shows that no fewer than 18 trains arriving at Liverpool St between 07:00 and 10:00 are formed 5-cars only. This includes such trains as the 07:46 and 08:13 ex Witham which no doubt are heaving after the Chelmsford stop. The Down peak is not so bad with 13 x 5-car trains leaving the terminus between 16:30 and 19:30. Surely there are sufficient spare 720s to make at least some these trains up to 10-cars.
107 entered service over two years ago. Assume typo for 137?
At least 2 of those are direct Southminsters so they won't be upgraded. Agreed though, there should be more 10 cars, especially on Cambridge services (at the weekend too)
Is it actually shocking? If the services are flighted reasonably, and station calls spread correctly, a pattern of 5-car and 10-car services can work. Regular passengers get to know which trains have capacity and which don't. The practical issue is not having a formation between 5-car and 10-car but clearly that decision was taken many years ago. Historically it wasn't the case that all trains had 12 cars.
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Yes, it must be 140 or 139 because 137 went back to derby about a month ago unless it’s returned. 107 entered service in August 2022. 515 must be back in passenger service.
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There was a full house of 10 cars to Cambridge north via Seven Sisters a few weekends ago. Mainly on Sundays they run all 10 cars to Ipswich & Clacton as most other services run as a shuttle eg. Walton to thorpe le soken, Braintree to witham. Colchester town isn’t served on Sundays which I haven’t got to the conclusion why.
720137 returned Derby 5th August.Yes, it must be 140 or 139 because 137 went back to derby about a month ago unless it’s returned. 107 entered service in August 2022. 515 must be back in passenger service.
Realtime Trains | 5G59 2015 Southend Victoria to Shenfield | 19/09/2024
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Realtime Trains | 5G58 1920 Shenfield to Southend Victoria | 19/09/2024
Real-time train running information for 5G58 1920 departure from Shenfield to Southend Victoria on 19/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
There was a full house of 10 cars to Cambridge north via Seven Sisters a few weekends ago. Mainly on Sundays they run all 10 cars to Ipswich & Clacton as most other services run as a shuttle eg. Walton to thorpe le soken, Braintree to witham. Colchester town isn’t served on Sundays which I haven’t got to the conclusion why.
It needs to be like that all the time, or at least at the weekend peakYes, it must be 140 or 139 because 137 went back to derby about a month ago unless it’s returned. 107 entered service in August 2022. 515 must be back in passenger service.
Realtime Trains | 5G59 2015 Southend Victoria to Shenfield | 19/09/2024
Real-time train running information for 5G59 2015 departure from Southend Victoria to Shenfield on 19/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Realtime Trains | 5G58 1920 Shenfield to Southend Victoria | 19/09/2024
Real-time train running information for 5G58 1920 departure from Shenfield to Southend Victoria on 19/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
There was a full house of 10 cars to Cambridge north via Seven Sisters a few weekends ago. Mainly on Sundays they run all 10 cars to Ipswich & Clacton as most other services run as a shuttle eg. Walton to thorpe le soken, Braintree to witham. Colchester town isn’t served on Sundays which I haven’t got to the conclusion why.
