Islineclear3_1
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On my travels today I saw one of these get on a Southern train. Now I've seen rail enforcement officers but this...?
On my travels today I saw one of these get on a Southern train. Now I've seen rail enforcement officers but this...?
Combat style uniform! Who comes up with these bonkers ideas?I had a laugh at East Croydon when I saw 4 Rpi in combat style uniform
Combat style uniform! Who comes up with these bonkers ideas?
Nothing bonkers about it. These are some of the most dangerous customer facing roles on the railway, especially on the outskirts of London. There are fairly regular incidents of serious violence, up to and including stabbings, which are less common but pose a real risk.Combat style uniform! Who comes up with these bonkers ideas?
Take the name and address of a person when committing an offence
Confiscate tobacco products from young persons
Deal with begging
Stop cyclists riding in prohibited areas
Issue Fixed Penalty Notices (FPN) or occasionally, Penalty Notices Disorder (PND)
Combat style uniform! Who comes up with these bonkers ideas?
Are you saying that wearing of combat style uniform makes them less likely to come to harm?A southeastern REO was stabbed at Bromley South not too long ago. It’s not bonkers.
Are you saying that wearing of combat style uniform makes them less likely to come to harm?
Yes. Exactly. The primary purpose is that it is all classed as employee personal protective equipment, so there's a statutory health and safety duty for the TOC/agency to provide appropriate clothing and equipment.Are you saying that wearing of combat style uniform makes them less likely to come to harm?
Not to justify the actions of the staff in this particularly unusual edge case, but they're certainly more than happy to get physical, albeit normally within conventional and lawful limits
They do patrol trains extensively on Merseyrail, they can also issue Penalty Fares and other notices authorised by British Transport Police under the accreditation scheme. They also enforce the "feet on seat" problem.I agree with most of your post, but this perhaps isn’t the best example to use. These were Carlisle Security rent-a-thugs, rather than TOC staff, who perform a night club bouncer type role, and aren’t used to patrol trains, enforce bylaws etc. in the manner of RPIs and REOs. Let’s hope that remains the case!
They do patrol trains extensively on Merseyrail, they can also issue Penalty Fares and other notices. They also enforce the "feet on seat" problem.
Merseyrail also has their own revenue protection team.
By and large they're actually pretty good from what I hear, you're going to get people taking things to the extreme in any role.I hadn’t appreciated that, thanks. That doesn’t bode well!
You can wear a stab vest on top of any uniform.I can see how wearing a stab vest might make someone less likely to come to harm from being stabbed. Surely that’s obvious?
What do you think they should wear?
I don't believe any rail staff wear three piece suits anymore.To get the thread back on topic, those sorts of staff clearly need to be clothed appropriately, I don't think rolling around on a platform floor in a three piece suit is very practical!
I still encounter plenty of staff in trousers, waistcoat and jacket quite regularly all across the rail network.You can wear a stab vest on top of any uniform.
I don't believe any rail staff wear three piece suits anymore.
Can I ask what other notices they are authorised to issue on Merseyrail?They do patrol trains extensively on Merseyrail, they can also issue Penalty Fares and other notices authorised by British Transport Police under the accreditation scheme. They also enforce the "feet on seat" problem.
Merseyrail also has their own revenue protection team.
Are you saying that wearing of combat style uniform makes them less likely to come to harm?
You can wear a stab vest on top of any uniform.
I assume that would be their uniform as opposed to garments bought at the likes of Marks and Spencers.I still encounter plenty of staff in trousers, waistcoat and jacket quite regularly all across the rail network.
How do combat style trousers offer more protection than other trousers?Yes if they are wearing a stab proof vest and “combat style” trousers. Also all those dregs of society might think twice about threatening someone like that.
How do combat style trousers offer more protection than other trousers?
I'm not obsessed but i think that wearing this kind of gear can attract the wrong sort of person to the job.Thicker/bulkier and made of different material generally. Won’t get damaged or ripped so easily. Not sure what your obsession is with this topic.
I'm not obsessed but i think that wearing this kind of gear can attract the wrong sort of person to the job.
In theory, everything listed here is at least possible.Can I ask what other notices they are authorised to issue on Merseyrail?
You can wear a stab vest on top of any uniform.
I'm not obsessed but i think that wearing this kind of gear can attract the wrong sort of person to the job.