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GWR 158 diagrams on Cardiff to Portsmouth and Bristol to Weymouth routes
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They are now shown on RTT. It should be fairly straightforward to work it out from that.
0923 / 1023 / 1723 / 1823 from Portsmouth
0850 / 2015 from Weymouth
Timed to ensure they aren't working towards the Bristol area in the peak hours.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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The earlier of the two Portsmouth diagrams appears to be far more reliable.
I see both the 1330 and 1430 to Portsmouth Harbour (1723 and 1823 returns) depart Cardiff Central from the window in my adjacent University building, most days, and 1330 has been a 158 (booked 4 car but occasionally short formed) almost every weekday since September without fail, whereas 1430 often produces a Turbo.
I see both the 1330 and 1430 to Portsmouth Harbour (1723 and 1823 returns) depart Cardiff Central from the window in my adjacent University building, most days, and 1330 has been a 158 (booked 4 car but occasionally short formed) almost every weekday since September without fail, whereas 1430 often produces a Turbo.
ValleyLines142
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For what reason?
HamworthyGoods
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As 4 car 158s have less capacity than 5 car turbos and also encounter dwell times issues with end doors.
ValleyLines142
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True. Shame, as the 158s are far more adequate for the job from a comfort perspective.
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Only if you have a seat, they are very unpleasant trains to stand in. Hence why they avoid the Bristol peaks.
ValleyLines142
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Indeed. Not so bad if its a 4 or 5 car, but no good if its a 3 or even a 2 car!
Other than the fact that at least one stopper ( far more affected by dwell times) leaving Temple Meads for the Avon Valley in the pm peak is a 158!
The only regular one I can find (RTT last week) is the 1559 Filton via the curve at Dr Days - which have I missed?
16.15 departure from Parkway (16.40-something from TM) seems to be 158 whenever I’m on it.
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158950 today - on its weary trek from Worcester to Weymouth.
In an ideal world, there'd be a more frequent local stopping service (maybe as far as Salisbury to include a station at Wilton) and the Cardiff - Pompey would become more of a limited stop Intercity-style service more suited to Cl.158 operation. If at the same time they were timetabled to follow the London trains on the Bristol - Bath corridor, rather than just preceding them as they currently do East/Southbound, do, the "Bristol - Bath only" loadings would be less of a problem. Unloading / loading a non-COVID peak hour train at Bath through 158 doors is a slow process!
Apologies - I was checking for 2-cars, forgot about the 3s.
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catering is still available
Interesting, is it only at certain times and part of the route. I cant imagine seat reservations on the Turbos!
The 166s have gained seat reservation holders since they moved west.
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IIRC they also gained exterior coach letters ABC or DE to enable reservations?
bramling
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It does seem daft that there is an issue with Bristol-Bath loadings on this route, when there is a frequent service of long Intercity trains available to take the load. I know timetable-based solutions can be very difficult to implement, but this does seem to be a case where such a solution would be worthwhile if it could be done.
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The intercity trains only go to Bristol TM, the Pompey/Cardiffs link Bath and Filton which is where many of the commuters go hence why they can be more popular than the IETs.
In the Bristol bound direction the Cardiff’s follow the IETs from Bath and you see people letting the IET go for their direct service.
And in the other direction, they leave Temple Meads a few minutes before the IET ( and from a closer platform to the entrance!), so pick up a disproportionate number of Temple Meads joiners.
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