GWR Class 800

[ExTankieAaron]

The 803 designation might be justified, actually. The 800s are the original IEP design, meant for limited diesel running off the core GWML and for ICEC extensions. The 802s are the sets designed for more intensive diesel-only service, including larger fuel tanks and no limiter on the engines. When the TPE order was announced, it was said that the trains will also have bigger resistor banks for rheostatic braking (which is when the motors are used for braking, like regenerative braking, but the energy is dissipated as heat on the roof of the train rather than being fed back into the non-existent overhead lines). If larger fuel tanks and a software tweak are enough to give the 802s their own class number, a slightly different rheostatic braking system might be enough to justify another number on top of that. It's not like the 8xx range is going to be filling up particularly quickly, isn't it?

No 803.

 

[leomartin125]

Another delivery scheduled for today, broken up into three parts as usual:

Merchant Park Sidings to Doncaster
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97213/2017/06/02/advanced

Doncaster to Acton Mainline
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97214/2017/06/02/advanced

Acton Mainline to Stoke Gifford
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97215/2017/06/02/advanced

Not sure which one this will be, I have heard 800010 was delivered recently via Taunton due to Swindon closures. I haven't heard 800006, 800007, 800008 or 800009 have been delivered yet though, so whether or not they have, and I haven't realised is another question.

If anyone can confirm that would be superb.

 

[ExTankieAaron]

Another delivery scheduled for today, broken up into three parts as usual:

Merchant Park Sidings to Doncaster
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97213/2017/06/02/advanced

Doncaster to Acton Mainline
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97214/2017/06/02/advanced

Acton Mainline to Stoke Gifford
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97215/2017/06/02/advanced

Not sure which one this will be, I have heard 800010 was delivered recently via Taunton due to Swindon closures. I haven't heard 800006, 800007, 800008 or 800009 have been delivered yet though, so whether or not they have, and I haven't realised is another question.

If anyone can confirm that would be superb.

800s T8(5) T9(5) T34(9) T38(9) are at our Depot under going PPW work as well as 801s T71 T72

 

[800001]

Another delivery scheduled for today, broken up into three parts as usual:

Merchant Park Sidings to Doncaster
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97213/2017/06/02/advanced

Doncaster to Acton Mainline
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97214/2017/06/02/advanced

Acton Mainline to Stoke Gifford
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97215/2017/06/02/advanced

Not sure which one this will be, I have heard 800010 was delivered recently via Taunton due to Swindon closures. I haven't heard 800006, 800007, 800008 or 800009 have been delivered yet though, so whether or not they have, and I haven't realised is another question.

If anyone can confirm that would be superb.

006, 008 and 009 have all been delivered to Doncaster over the last month or so.

800007 has not been seen at all at the factory, apart from when it was delivered and 1 sighting of 1 coach outside briefly.
Units up to 020 have been seen in the test shed at Merchant Park, so possibly something wrong with it.

 

[800001]

800s T8(5) T9(5) T34(9) T38(9) are at our Depot under going PPW work as well as 801s T71 T72

Forgive my ignorance, but what is PPW work?

 

[800001]

Another delivery scheduled for today, broken up into three parts as usual:

Merchant Park Sidings to Doncaster
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97213/2017/06/02/advanced

Doncaster to Acton Mainline
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97214/2017/06/02/advanced

Acton Mainline to Stoke Gifford
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97215/2017/06/02/advanced

Not sure which one this will be, I have heard 800010 was delivered recently via Taunton due to Swindon closures. I haven't heard 800006, 800007, 800008 or 800009 have been delivered yet though, so whether or not they have, and I haven't realised is another question.

If anyone can confirm that would be superb.

800013 has departed from Merchant Park at 17:15.

 

[Typhoon_93]

800s T8(5) T9(5) T34(9) T38(9) are at our Depot under going PPW work as well as 801s T71 T72

T34(9)..? Is this a typo as T34 is 800034 not in production yet.. T39(9) should be there having arrived this week by road..

 

[ash39]

Here's 800013 on delivery earlier today. It's become a bit of a thing now for me to try and catch all the delivery runs, seeing as they usually run on Friday evenings which is about as convenient as it gets. Shame they never seem to run when the sun's out!


800013 Dringhouses 02/06/2017 by Flash 3939, on Flickr

Anyone know why all the deliveries are run on diesel? Still not fully cleared to run on electric?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Here's 800013 on delivery earlier today. It's become a bit of a thing now for me to try and catch all the delivery runs, seeing as they usually run on Friday evenings which is about as convenient as it gets. Shame they never seem to run when the sun's out!


800013 Dringhouses 02/06/2017 by Flash 3939, on Flickr

Anyone know why all the deliveries are run on diesel? Still not fully cleared to run on electric?

Are the last three windows and what looks like it could be a destination screen meant to be blanked out?

 

[Domh245]

Are the last three windows and what looks like it could be a destination screen meant to be blanked out?

Yes, that's the kitchen/galley area, and a staff only door - so no need for the screen

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Yes, that's the kitchen/galley area, and a staff only door - so no need for the screen

It seems strange that they use blanked out windows instead of the panel(s) being cast as a wall with no windows

 

[Domh245]

It seems strange that they use blanked out windows instead of the panel(s) being cast as a wall with no windows

Not really. As it is, they just need one type of casting for driving cars, which they then can blank off as necessary, which is a lot cheaper and easier than having 2 designs.

 

[BestWestern]

It seems strange that they use blanked out windows instead of the panel(s) being cast as a wall with no windows

Keeps the price down. The kitchen is essentially bolted into the end of what is otherwise a normal carriage. The train is 'no frills', so this continues the theme.

 

[ainsworth74]

Not really. As it is, they just need one type of casting for driving cars, which they then can blank off as necessary, which is a lot cheaper and easier than having 2 designs.

Keeps the price down. The kitchen is essentially bolted into the end of what is otherwise a normal carriage. The train is 'no frills', so this continues the theme.

Plus flexibility is key. If some operator in the future decides that they don't want the kitchen there anymore it will be much easier to then bring that space into service with seating than if it's just blank walls.

 

[swt_passenger]

It seems strange that they use blanked out windows instead of the panel(s) being cast as a wall with no windows

The panels will not be 'cast'. Casting is a process that involves moulds and molten metal. Completely inappropriate for the side of a rail vehicle (or any vehicle)...

 

[hwl]

Not really. As it is, they just need one type of casting for driving cars, which they then can blank off as necessary, which is a lot cheaper and easier than having 2 designs.

Casting!!! (and you are apparently a mech eng student)

Bodyshells panels from any of the usual suspects (A, B, C, H, S or S) are made up from "planks" of twin wall Aluminium extrusion that are welded* together (no castings to be seen). The body sides are made up from 5 extruded horizontal longitudinal "planks":
a) a curved cross-section lower section (and join to floor),
b) 3 flat sections at mid level
c) and a different curved cross section including roof join at high level.

The c) "plank" is usually the length of the whole car, the a) planks can just run between the doors (they are over length at this stage and trimmed later) or along the whole car length depending on manufacturer / floor design.
The 3 flat b) planks the upper and lower just run between the doors (they are over length at this stage and trimmed later). The middle b) plank just runs between the window and doors .They are over length at this stage and trimmed later) -lots of short offcuts can be used for this!
This allows quite bit of material saving / efficiency.

The body side is then put in a jig and a CNC milling machine trims the ends and does the precision cutting for all the door, window, door button unit and bodyside indicator light (orange light) apertures where the door and window frames etc. are later added.

See this photo from Paul Bigland's collection of a 700 body side post milling:
http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p487954781/h73b913ba#h73b913ba

Note the milling machine in the background and the notches in the PTFE jig profiles where the joins between the planks are as the exterior welds have yet to be ground. the body side in the photo is from the right hand side of driving car so the gap for the drivers doors and slightly shorter body-side length allows the jig to be seen.

*The actual join is mixture of shape impingement followed by welding after they have been "clicked" together this photo shows the actual joins better post weld grinding:
http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p487954781/h783dad00#h783dad00.

The real reason is of course that the buffet can be removed and replaced with seats in later life far more easily!

 

[D365]

Are the last three windows and what looks like it could be a destination screen meant to be blanked out?

As opposed to what, not meant to be?

 

[asylumxl]

As opposed to what, not meant to be?

It's a new seating area intended for enthusiasts that complain about seat/window alignment.

 

[leomartin125]

Yes, that's the kitchen/galley area, and a staff only door - so no need for the screen

If you think about it, the IEP has a similar design to the Class 390 regarding that. They both have a kitchen area at one end of the train, with seating up to the cab on the other.

Regarding 800013's delivery, the path to Stoke Gifford was cancelled at late notice on Friday and the set is now in the sidings at North Pole IEP Depot. Just went passed it, looked shiny!

 

[Nippy]

Such late notice in fact that I didn't know until it dropped down from Acton Wells and the relieving driver told me!

 

[leomartin125]

Such late notice in fact that I didn't know until it dropped down from Acton Wells and the relieving driver told me!

As ever, communication on the railway shining.

They wanted to send a set to Doncaster Carr IEP Depot from Stoke Gifford this morning, but that was cancelled.

800013 due to leave North Pole at 1017 as 5X71 to Stoke Gifford.

 

[ExTankieAaron]

T34(9)..? Is this a typo as T34 is 800034 not in production yet.. T39(9) should be there having arrived this week by road..

To a comment above PPW is Post Production Work.

Some of the trains are not following numerical order T34 isn't 800034. Without checking at work I can't give it's exact number. Because it's 9 car bimode it's 800 1 then xx for it's number.

 

[pdeaves]

800013 due to leave North Pole at 1017 as 5X71 to Stoke Gifford.

It left approximately 1/2 hour late. Here it is passing Swindon: https://www.flickr.com/photos/pdeaves/35076931836/.

 

[Typhoon_93]

To a comment above PPW is Post Production Work.

Some of the trains are not following numerical order T34 isn't 800034. Without checking at work I can't give it's exact number. Because it's 9 car bimode it's 800 1 then xx for it's number.

Not sure about this as I have the following and can confirm T34/800034 [shells] are all present at Tees Port this evening.

I have the following for Txx/8xxxxx
T01-36 800001-036 (5) 001-006/008-020 built and 007/021-031 in production.
T37-57 800301-321 (9) 302-303 at Doncaster.
T58-70 800101-113 (9) 101 here.
T71-82 801101-112 (5) 101-102 at Doncaster.
T83-92 800201-210 (5) none here.
T93-122 801201-230 (9) none here.

The only one that is out of sequence is what ever the set originally built as T37 (Class 801 currently stored at Aycliffe) will become 8012xx but which one is not known.

All the other IEP's currently in the U.K. Fit the above list.

 

[ExTankieAaron]

Tomorrow night i'll give you the full run down of what's what and where.

 

[Melancholia]

Seems like the new IET's want to compete with HSTs in terms of running multi-coloured

 

[leomartin125]

Seems like the new IET's want to compete with HSTs in terms of running multi-coloured

Which set is this?

 

[800001]

Which set is this?

800003. The 3 centre coaches are green, but each outer coach looks like they have only done a smal amount on the cab.

 

[D1009]

800003. The 3 centre coaches are green, but each outer coach looks like they have only done a smal amount on the cab.

It worked Stoke Gifford - Swansea - Newport - Port Talbot - Stoke Gifford last night with 800004. I wondered what they'd done to it, I couldn't see properly as it was lit by a sodium light.

 

[Typhoon_93]

Aycliffe Hitachi Wednesday 07.06.2017

In yard.
800011,012,014,015,016
801xxx (9car stored)

Test shed.
800017,018,019,020.

Final shell for 800032/T32 arrived today along with class 385 shell 444009.

Hope this helps.
Gareth