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GWR Cornish Night Riviera Sleeper and GWR Class 57 updates from Long Rock
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co-tr-paul
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605 wed up. 602 Thurs up
Hah, Rich beat me to it ??????
Hah, Rich beat me to it ??????
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spark001uk
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Ah OK. Must be 605 I could see outside ooc shed then. 306 was outside in usual parking spot but got dragged into shed by an 08 for some unknown reason.
Add: 306 now been pulled back out of shed, 08 still attached, when I just passed. (20:35). Be interested to know what the problem was if anyone hears?
Add: 306 now been pulled back out of shed, 08 still attached, when I just passed. (20:35). Be interested to know what the problem was if anyone hears?
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co-tr-paul
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2nd of the 3 internally refurbished B coaches , 12161 is due back to us next week.
spark001uk
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Thanks for info. Wonder when the first C coach will be back? (understand one was scrapped due to corrosion)
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Why aren't GWR using 67s instead of notoriously unreliable 57s?
Also is there a reason they didn't get in on the Mk5 sleeper newbuilds?
Also is there a reason they didn't get in on the Mk5 sleeper newbuilds?
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PHILIPE
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This has been discussed, discussed and discussed over and over again. If any other locos than the 57s were to be used, the owners insist that their drivers should drive them. GWR won't have this. What's wrong with the 57s, anyway ?
Because they'd prefer to use their own 57s instead of the notoriously unreliable 67s instead!
The other reason for not going with new build CAF Mk5s is because the current GW franchise is in management contract mode until 2019. Whether or not the DfT would have allowed First to order new I don't know. But if they had they'd have been to DFT spec no doubt.
Perhaps it's almost worth adding these reasons as a sticky, considering they come up every other week these days!
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Fair enough. I was under the impression that the are highly unreliable and always failing, even to the point of being rescued by HSTs before.
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co-tr-paul
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I am not going to repeat why we are not going for 67s AGAIN. Just read this thread from the start.... .
Related news, first steelwork erected today for new depot FOR 57s. Must be finished by Dec 5 as OC shuts 23 Dec for HS2 takeover. £5m per day penalty if not.
Related news, first steelwork erected today for new depot FOR 57s. Must be finished by Dec 5 as OC shuts 23 Dec for HS2 takeover. £5m per day penalty if not.
Slightly off topic, but I presume this is just FGWR leaving OOC leaving HEX for now?
co-tr-paul
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OC being redeveloped as Crossrail/HS2 junction so we have to go. Nothing to do with franchising. Alot of jaw dropping when told of penalty at todays briefing!!
59CosG95
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HEx are due to up sticks to Langley last I heard.
I commuted on the night Riviera for around 6 months last year, every weekday, no reliability issues were experienced. The only non 57 service was due to the Paddington derailment.
An occasional failing gets reported more than the failing of other units because of the nature of the service and certain people with an agenda to swap the 57s.
As a regular user of the Looe branch, the 153s seem to breakdown far more often.
Ash Bridge
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I agree with you Rich, it can probably be likened to the class 37s working the Cumbrian Coast services.
I'm not sure that GWR will need to get in on the Mk5 sleeper vehicles to be honest. There's about to be a glut of Mk3 sleeper vehicles that aren't going to have a home which GWR could happily raid for all the spare parts they could ever need. Maybe if the price is right for the new franchise they might be able to purchase some CAF Mk5s but I think it would have to be very competitive compared to just keeping the existing stuff going.
co-tr-paul
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I post an annual thread on RMWeb on the 57 statistics for the up NR. The results are there for all to see. Rmweb-special intrests-railways of Cornwall.
Our refurb was announced before the Scottish plan. Our stock has lived a charmed life and good in the main for another 10 years. I do expect new stock to be part of the next, longer franchise requirements in 2020 (ish!). The spares being part of the reason as stated above.
Our refurb was announced before the Scottish plan. Our stock has lived a charmed life and good in the main for another 10 years. I do expect new stock to be part of the next, longer franchise requirements in 2020 (ish!). The spares being part of the reason as stated above.
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Just found out they quietly did up another pair of PCs for the GTI sets, they're trying for more of a 'local' look to the cab ends apparently. Set seen here heading for Laira.
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That's brilliant. I see they've sorted out the bouncing issue.
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Time for a seperate GWR HSTGTi thread me thinks. Like it ! Will it be at Old Oak's op[en day to celebrate 111 years..... ?!
59CosG95
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I wouldn't know yet, but the Open Day is certainly a plan GWR have in the pipeline as a farewell event to OOC! (According to Today's Railways UK April '17)
PHILIPE
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As far as I know, there's nothing there to swap with. Apart from 57602, the others should be at the London end.
I've just had a nosy in Laira as I passed around 1230, all that is at laira is the 08s and 2 HST carriages.
I assume there is a working to laira first to form the 1510?
co-tr-paul
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603 been down here all week for training but thought that went up last night with 604. Heard nothing expected... .
There is now a working showing for the opposite direction:-
1752 Penzance to Laira.
Nothing has come down this morning from old Oak Common as far as I can tell, so what if anything will be coming down from Laira later I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Might be a test run for 70803, 70812 is moving from Taviostock Jn to Laira so might be one or both heading west.
1752 Penzance to Laira.
Nothing has come down this morning from old Oak Common as far as I can tell, so what if anything will be coming down from Laira later I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Might be a test run for 70803, 70812 is moving from Taviostock Jn to Laira so might be one or both heading west.
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Its a 75mph max so not ours... !
PHILIPE
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70812 + 70803. The former came down from Liverpool Docks to Tavistock Jn for acceptance trials so suspect a test run with the other as insurance. There was a light movement from Tavistock Jn to Laira beforehand.