GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[fgwrich]

The announcement recently was that three extra sets are being converted and there's three sets already at Wabtec for conversion.

EDIT: there are some (more!) spare trailers for conversion as well, so might be them?

The set at Long Rock would tie in as being the third set though being formed of TGS / TSD / TS / TS. Given the recent delivery of vehicles from Long Marston (consisting predominantly of Porterbrook design TSDs) I would say they are the spare trailers and this may be the third set.

 

[DB]

The set at Long Rock would tie in as being the third set though being formed of TGS / TSD / TS / TS. Given the recent delivery of vehicles from Long Marston (consisting predominantly of Porterbrook design TSDs) I would say they are the spare trailers and this may be the third set.

Have any TSDs been used in conversions? seem to recall that they were not favoured as the toilet was at the wrong end for where the tank would need to go.

 

[43096]

The set at Long Rock would tie in as being the third set though being formed of TGS / TSD / TS / TS. Given the recent delivery of vehicles from Long Marston (consisting predominantly of Porterbrook design TSDs) I would say they are the spare trailers and this may be the third set.

No, there are three complete 4-car sets already at Doncaster. That’s on top of the 5 TSDs you mention.

 

[Phil Scott]

No, there are three complete 4-car sets already at Doncaster. That’s on top of the 5 TSDs you mention.

Do you happy to know which vehicles at Doncaster are the ones for GWR? I haven’t managed to keep track of which are for GWR and which are for ScotRail! Thanks

 

[43096]

Do you happy to know which vehicles at Doncaster are the ones for GWR? I haven’t managed to keep track of which are for GWR and which are for ScotRail! Thanks

For GWR the following are there for conversion as I understand it:
42005/015/016/048/050/066/071/074/081
44002/005/016/042

There are also 5 TSDs there, apparently for spares recovery: 42173/195/217/310/353.

Wabtec also bought a number of TS and TGS vehicles (presumably for spares), but I haven't got a definitive list of what is in Doncaster of these.

Everything else there for ScotRail - I think!

 

[43 302]

The set formed up at Long Rock is 43194 42087 42580 43098 which I have both coaches down to be spares along with 44042. According to Tony Miles' article in the railway magazine the next three sets will be GW14, GW15 & GW16.

 

[co-tr-paul]

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[43 302]

47815 + barrier has come down to LA today. Tomorrow 43022, 43027, 43029, Mk3, barrier, 47 will work up to Donny with the PCs leading, 47 dead on the rear.

5E23 10:47 LA to Doncaster Wabtec
47815, 6340, 42087, 42580, 43022, 43027 & 43029

Realtime Trains - 544Q 1047 Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops

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[XCTurbostar]

47815 + barrier has come down to LA today. Tomorrow 43022, 43027, 43029, Mk3, barrier, 47815 will work up to Donny with the PCs leading, 47815 dead on the rear.

Mk3s in the formation reported elsewhere as 42087 & 42580. There are conflicting reports which with way round the formation will be in.

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[43 302]

Mk3s in the formation reported elsewhere as 42087 & 42580. There are conflicting reports which with way round the formation will be in.

Realtime Trains - 544Q 1047 Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops

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Already updated
Yes different sources are saying different things. Some people have said it's 47813 but seeing as that's at Leicester and 815 is at LA I highly doubt it!

 

[83G/84D]

43171 & 43172 are reportedly heading back to Laira from Doncaster works tomorrow and both are now GWR green. It's sad that the Harry Patch livery and names couldn't be retained but the name may re-appear on an IET.

 

[DB]

43171 & 43172 are reportedly heading back to Laira from Doncaster works tomorrow and both are now GWR green. It's sad that the Harry Patch livery and names couldn't be retained but the name may re-appear on an IET.

Why would the name reappear anywhere else? It was applied for a specific anniversary, wasn't it?

 

[83G/84D]

Why would the name reappear anywhere else? It was applied for a specific anniversary, wasn't it?

Only what I heard, I don't work for GWR so unable to confirm or otherwise.

 

[43172]

43171 & 43172 are reportedly heading back to Laira from Doncaster works tomorrow and both are now GWR green. It's sad that the Harry Patch livery and names couldn't be retained but the name may re-appear on an IET.

Timings for tomorrows move

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R03151/2020-10-08/detailed

 

[43 302]

Timings for tomorrows move

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R03151/2020-10-08/detailed

Do we know that it's definitely 171/172 as 009/010 went up first.

 

[43172]

Do we know that it's definitely 171/172 as 009/010 went up first.

Not 100% sure I'm afraid, it could be either. Sorry I can't give a firm answer, had forgotten 009/010 went up to Doncaster earlier in the year, that's why I defaulted to assuming 171/172

 

[fgwrich]

Do we know that it's definitely 171/172 as 009/010 went up first.

171 / 172 have been seen outside in the yard painted though, so they could well be the first to come back. 009/010 Did indeed go up a month before, but seem to have disappeared somewhere in the confides of the works.

 

[43 302]

171 / 172 have been seen outside in the yard painted though, so they could well be the first to come back. 009/010 Did indeed go up a month before, but seem to have disappeared somewhere in the confides of the works.

I've seen photos of 009/010 too in Green. But yes the recent ones seem to show 171/172 outside.

 

[The_Train]

171 / 172 have been seen outside in the yard painted though, so they could well be the first to come back. 009/010 Did indeed go up a month before, but seem to have disappeared somewhere in the confides of the works.

171 and 172 are working back to Laira today on 0V84.
I assume they have both been repainted into the GWR Green?

 

[43 302]

171 and 172 are working back to Laira today on 0V84.
I assume they have both been repainted into the GWR Green?

They have indeed.

 

[The_Train]

They have indeed.

Thanks 302

 

[43172]

009 and 027 have returned to Laira today from Doncaster on the service listed below, ran as back to back power cars

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00481/2020-11-04/detailed

 

[47444]

I must apologise for asking what is a, probably annoying, question.

Scanning back through the entries on this thread, I cannot see the pre-conversion numbers for 48110, 48111 and 48112 (the TS in set GW04). Can anyone supply them please?

Thanks in anticipation.

 

[43096]

I must apologise for asking what is a, probably annoying, question.

Scanning back through the entries on this thread, I cannot see the pre-conversion numbers for 48110, 48111 and 48112 (the TS in set GW04). Can anyone supply them please?

Thanks in anticipation.

48110 - 42315
48111 - 42224
48112 - 42222

 

[47444]

48110 - 42315
48111 - 42224
48112 - 42222

Many thanks

 

[83G/84D]

To the best of my knowledge a 2+3 HST operated today for the first time (as opposed to a short formed 2+4) as one of the "extra" GTi sets. It worked the 1835 Plymouth to Penzance and was GW13:- 43122, 48135, 48106, 49113 and 43088.
It now resides on Long Rock depot.

 

[Jamesrob637]

To the best of my knowledge a 2+3 HST operated today for the first time (as opposed to a short formed 2+4) as one of the "extra" GTi sets. It worked the 1835 Plymouth to Penzance and was GW13:- 43122, 48135, 48106, 49113 and 43088.
It now resides on Long Rock depot.

Going by the Golf, the 'R' is slightly faster again than the GTi. Might even be a couple of seconds faster to 60 especially with a little tuning and a DSG gearbox.

So is a 2+3 a "HSTR?!"

 

[irish_rail]

To the best of my knowledge a 2+3 HST operated today for the first time (as opposed to a short formed 2+4) as one of the "extra" GTi sets. It worked the 1835 Plymouth to Penzance and was GW13:- 43122, 48135, 48106, 49113 and 43088.
It now resides on Long Rock depot.

There have been 2+3 sets before when they have been short of coaches, I remember driving one about 6 or 7 months ago.
Interesting to see how the speedometer fares on the 2 +3s I personally won't go near notch 5 with them as there was an incident this year of a 2+4 speedo not performing correctly, so 2+3 will be even worse potentially! Wouldnt be surprised if they tape notch 5 out on the 2+3s.

 

[adrock1976]

To the best of my knowledge a 2+3 HST operated today for the first time (as opposed to a short formed 2+4) as one of the "extra" GTi sets. It worked the 1835 Plymouth to Penzance and was GW13:- 43122, 48135, 48106, 49113 and 43088.
It now resides on Long Rock depot.

Should the set number be PZ13 (or PZ01) if its home depot is Long Rock (Penzance) or if it is Laira (Plymouth) LA13?

GW is the depot code for Glasgow Shields Road, or is this the Great Western having a type of universal declaration of independence and doing things differently to the rest?

 

[cactustwirly]

Should the set number be PZ13 (or PZ01) if its home depot is Long Rock (Penzance) or if it is Laira (Plymouth) LA13?

GW is the depot code for Glasgow Shields Road, or is this the Great Western having a type of universal declaration of independence and doing things differently to the rest?

The short sets have GW codes, but these aren't depot codes.
Same with XC whose HSTs have XC codes