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Have you ever seen anyone being arrested on a train?

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JDi

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I was passing through Manchester recently, where a load of football fans boarded what was the quiet coach. Naturally, this being in the evening, they were completely drunk.

They started shouting sarcastically at a gut who was reading a book, and made a point of stating that they were in the quiet coach.

Unbeknown to them, BTP were on this train in force, and to cut a long story short, 5 were arrested and taken off the train.


What would have happened to those fans, who presumably were escorted off the train at a station far away from their home?

Have you got any stories about trouble/arrests/excitement you have directly witnessed on a train?
 
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My mate got threatened with arrest once on a train back from Wembley because his tshirt had the word "f**K" on it in quite small writing. Was told to either cover it up, or he'd be arrested. A little over the top by the BTP in my opinion.
 

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I also saw someone arrested at a London station at New Year. They were drunk, and pushed over a leaflet holder, so the BTP officer arrested them.
 

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I saw a bloke on the last northbound XC from York on a Thursday night getting arrested. Turns out he'd drank a lot of wine and was yelling all the way from Birmingham about how he had bombs in his briefcase. Very efficient by the BTP though, we were booked a 7 minute dwell and suffered very little delay despite statements being taken and him being arrested.

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Depends what you mean by "arrested". I have detained people on trains many times under what might broadly be termed 'citizen's arrest', owing to illegal activities (smoking, busking, begging, etc.) or threatening behaviour.
 
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I think it used to be someything like
1) take them to BTP offices
2) detain them until the last train home had left, the pubs had shut or they were sober enough not to abuse someone else (whichever was the latest)
3) give them a ticket for being drunk and disorderly and hope the court will fine them (which didn't often happen if they had done no physical damage).
otherwise 4) take consolation that the cost of buying a new ticcket was pain enough.

Note: the fact it was a quiet coach is likely not relevant.
 
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I was passing through Manchester recently, where a load of football fans boarded what was the quiet coach. Naturally, this being in the evening, they were completely drunk.

They started shouting sarcastically at a gut who was reading a book, and made a point of stating that they were in the quiet coach.

Unbeknown to them, BTP were on this train in force, and to cut a long story short, 5 were arrested and taken off the train.


What would have happened to those fans, who presumably were escorted off the train at a station far away from their home?

Have you got any stories about trouble/arrests/excitement you have directly witnessed on a train?

Is this a slang term for someone who is fat? Not seen it before, and see no need to bring in the issue anyway.
 
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OP - I have seen it and assisted with these people many times - everything from drunks to thieves.

If you ever do witness something then make sure to call or text the BTP but dont get involved for your own safety. If theyre making the carriage unpleasant then if you can move to another.
 

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If you ever do witness something then make sure to call or text the BTP but dont get involved for your own safety. If theyre making the carriage unpleasant then if you can move to another.

And please find the train crew and report it to them also. Walk through the train and find them or use a call for aid in a discrete position if necessary but do let the traim crew know
 

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Not arrested as such, but I was at St Pancras on Monday evening coming off HS1, and as I was there was a (probably intoxicated) gentleman was mouthing off at the BTP and seemingly the staff. He was close to being arrested but I think he was let off after apologising to all the staff.
 

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Yep, a drunk on a Pendolino lamped a passenger who asked him to stop smoking and then lamped the female guard. The BTP "gently assisted" him off the train at Penrith. Such a shame he was drunk and missed his step and face planted the platform, and then didn't see the stone pillar they marched him past.

It was a joy to watch. Accidents will happen.
 
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Was on a VTEC to Newcastle last year, and some bloke punched another in the back of the head because he was "looking at my bird". Guard came down and calmed the situation, and the puncher, unprovoked, offered to "end" the guard...

Guard, unsurprisingly, called the BTP, and at Darlington we stopped longer than expected, and two BTP officers came on, and hauled him off, very miffed OH following. Interesting journey...
 

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Quite a few times sadly. Falkirk High seemed to be a favourite spot for it for a while.

The silliest one I can remember was an assualt aboard a TPE service seconds before Oxenholme. The assailant left the train on arrival but discovered that he was in the middle of nowhere, and attempted his getaway on a service bus...
 

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Not on the train, but on the platform of Groningen. And it was rough (for him).
 

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Yep, a drunk on a Pendolino lamped a passenger who asked him to stop smoking and then lamped the female guard. The BTP "gently assisted" him off the train at Penrith. Such a shame he was drunk and missed his step and face planted the platform, and then didn't see the stone pillar they marched him past.

It was a joy to watch. Accidents will happen.

Sadly, for every person such as you who sees this as a "joy to watch" there will be another quite willing to put a complaint against police for assault etc which will see at least an end to a career or even a court appearance by the officer.

Such "joys to watch" are better not witnessed! ;)
 

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I saw someone arrested on the platform at Nailsea and Backwell for assaulting a guard on the train. I didn't see the actual assault, but heard him being threatened and saw him react in a manner that was consistent with being assaulted.

I still have the notes I wrote on my phone at the time while my memory was fresh as I gave my details to the police (BTP I presume) to come and take a statement from me later. The file on my computer is dated 7 October 2007 and it's possible that that was the date it happened, although it might have been before then (I got that phone in early 2006).

I've cleaned up the spelling and put some notes in square brackets, but otherwise this is verbatim:

On 1810 train between Bristol TM and Exeter. 2-car Class 158 DMU

Between Parson St and Nailsea and Backwell the guard started to check tickets in last carriage starting from back of train.

A passenger in the 2nd or 3rd row from that end started shouting at the guard. Said that he had been told by a member of rail staff to travel to WSM [Weston-super-Mare]. Threatened to punch the guard in the face (not exact words but this was clear meaning). The guard handed back tickets (two bits of card) to passenger(s) on opposite (right in direction of travel) side of train without turning away from disruptive passenger. Guard then went directly to the rear cab of train and shut door. I presume that he then spoke to driver as train stopped quickly afterwards (came to a stop opposite signal B19 [a northbound signal]).

While the train was stopped the disruptive passenger at first stayed in his seat and ranted to those nearby (i was about 4 rows back on same side of train) about having an appointment with the DHSS (I think he said in WSM), about being charged £200 by British Rail / First Great Western (used interchangably) for being homeless, about BR/FGW calling the police to him at WSM and making him miss appointment.

Then [he] went up and knocked on the door of rear cab. When no answer a male passenger traveling in the vestibule area tried to calm him down (based on actions, didn't hear words). Then returned to seat and continued rant. Did say that the "ticket lady at Weston" [i.e. Weston-super-Mare] should have known about him as she watched him get on the train after talking to her for 20 minutes.

At some point during this a large man I presume to be the driver came through the train and used his key to enter the rear cab and talk to the guard. Eventually the train got underway again after driver returned to front of train. We arrived at Nailsea and Backwell. After the doors were not opened for a couple of minutes the driver again came through train to talk to guard which he did briefly. Driver then opened doors. Disruptive passenger remained on train until the police were walking along the northbound platform towards the footbridge [the only access to the station is via the northbound platform] when he left the train (whether he saw them or heard other passengers comment on their arrival I don't know). When he saw the police officers descending the stairs to the SB platform he went towards them and made a stance a bit like the rugby Hakka pose, as this was seen through the train window I did not hear anything.

One police officer stayed with him while the other went to talk to the guard and driver who were by now on the platform (I didn't notice when they got there).

My suspicion is that the disruptive passenger was at least slightly drunk. Another passenger (who did not give his details to the police) commented to this effect as well after the train departed Nailsea and Backwell.

I was about the second last passenger to board at Bristol TM so I did not see the passenger before then. My attention was not drawn to him before he started shouting.

This statement was written starting about 5 mins after leaving Nailsea and Backwell station and continued and concluded in my car in the car park adjacent to the southbound platform at Yatton. Concluded at 1924 (arrived Yatton circa 1840).

When the police came to take a statement at my house a couple of hours later (I was living in Cheddar at the time) they commented that I was the only person who was prepared to give their details to the police. <(
They were I recall particularly impressed that I'd noticed the signal number for the location, but slightly frustrated by my not being very accurate in my estimation of distances (I have always been bad at putting estimations into numbers).

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A couple of years after that I was on a HST to Paddington that came to an emergency stop somewhere east of Reading followed by a tannoy call for any police or BTP officers to make their way to the buffet car. I was in the adjacent standard class carriage and two passengers make their way rather purposefully towards the buffet about a minute apart. Presumably off-duty police travelling in different carriages.
I didn't see or hear anything else at the time, but when I alighted at Paddington I overhead staff members talking and it seems that a man had attempted to steal cash from the buffet and had been arrested.
 
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I have seen a few and IME the actual arrest itself tends to take place on a platform if at all possible. I suspect that the police have a SOP which seeks to avoid handcuffing someone in a confined space such as aboard a train. In terms of rough justice a good one was on a Manchester bound train from Southport on the day of the Orange Order parade. Sadly this is seen by many as an excuse for excessive drinking so BTP are always out in numbers. On this occasion BTP were riding the train and one individual decided to be a nuisance. The reaction of the officers after trying to be reasonable was requiring the individual to leave the train at New Lane station. For those unfamiliar with it New Lane has a very low platform (in this direction), is in a decidedly rural location and trains only call every two hours. You can imagine the outcome.
 

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When the police came to take a statement at my house a couple of hours later (I was living in Cheddar at the time) they commented that I was the only person who was prepared to give their details to the police. <(

Thats about right, people want the Guard to step in and stop any problems on the train but when the Guard gets in trouble 'they' dont want to get involved and then suffer complete memory loss about what actually happened when the Police ask for witnesses and statementsetc, hence most Guards not getting involved.
 

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Was in Austrailia in 2004 travelling from Sydney to Perth on the Indian Pacific.
As we were all getting back on after the stop at Kalgoorlie,two officers followed a chap on board and carted him away. The train then promptly carried on its way.
Not sure what he had done.
 

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I suspect that the police have a SOP which seeks to avoid handcuffing someone in a confined space such as aboard a train.

I would have thought that use of the "confined space" would make it less likely that the miscreant would be able to escape before the cuffs were on?

So what is the reasoning here?
 

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My mate got threatened with arrest once on a train back from Wembley because his tshirt had the word "f**K" on it in quite small writing. Was told to either cover it up, or he'd be arrested. A little over the top by the BTP in my opinion.

It wasn't one of these, was it?

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I once saw a bus driver be arrested, then there was a riot as the Pensioners set about the arresting officer resulting in a riot van turning up at Denby Dale at 1 oclock in the afternoon to try and sort the mess out. :lol:

It was clearly obvious that the double decker bus had reversed at high speed into the front of the Austin 7 culminating in the car driver legging it.

Funnily enough it was the bus driver that rang the Police in the first place.
 

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Not on the train, but on the platform of Groningen. And it was rough (for him).

The Punt & Dennis comedy sketch would have us believe that Dutch police were pretty chill!

I've seen someone arrested by BTP at Huddersfield after I'd heard him racially abusing a guard on a Northern service from Deighton to Huddersfield. I also spoke to one of their officers and later gave a statement reporting what I witnessed. Can't recall any others though.
 

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I once saw a bus driver be arrested, then there was a riot as the Pensioners set about the arresting officer resulting in a riot van turning up at Denby Dale at 1 oclock in the afternoon to try and sort the mess out. :lol:

It was clearly obvious that the double decker bus had reversed at high speed into the front of the Austin 7 culminating in the car driver legging it.

Funnily enough it was the bus driver that rang the Police in the first place.


I've seen a bus driver be arrested for drink-driving at 11am so there could be genuine reasons for arresting the bus driver.
 

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Not seen an arrest on the train, but I was mugged on a Southampton to Portsmouth service several years ago. The offender had assaulted two more people in the process who tried to intervene. Train was held at next station (Swanwick I think) and the police were called. Offender had long done by the time they showed up as guard did a deal with the offender to return my bag in return for opening the doors. But in the struggle to steal my bag the offender dropped their mobile phone on the seat opposite. When the police arrived they picked it up, dialled "mum", offered to come round and 'return' the 'lost' phone, and the offender was in handcuffs 5 minutes later.
 

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I've seen a bus driver be arrested for drink-driving at 11am so there could be genuine reasons for arresting the bus driver.

Nope, the copper was an arse and had a grudge against bus drivers, the bus driver received a written apology from the Police and the copper was 'redeployed' within the Police Force.

Even the Sergeant who arrived in the riot van couldnt believe what he was seeing.

Oh and the reason I know what the outcome was is quite simply that I was the bus driver. ;)
 
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