High Peak Bus Company / Trentbarton Split [Merged Thread]

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I think route 6 runs to Bakewell anyway.

I still cannot get over that weird numbering system that they use. The particular service that you refer to is the 6.1 that runs from Bakewell to Derby.

The 6.2./6.3/6.4 services all run between Ripley and Derby. The 6.X service runs between Belper and Derby.

 

[MCR247]

The 6.2 and 6.3 run to Ripley, the 6.4 runs to Belper Estates as does the 6.X

The 6.1 6.2 6.3 and 6.4 provide a 15 minute service to Belper. The 6.4 then goes to the estates, also as the 6.X where it then goes fast via the A38 to Derby

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Thanks for the clarification. Any idea why this type of numbering was introduced ?

 

[tbone]

Thanks for the clarification. Any idea why this type of numbering was introduced ?

October 2005, when the Scania/ Wright us Solars were introduced, along with the name 'The Sixes'. They were previously known as R61, R62, R63, R64 and XR6

 

[brompton rail]

I saw it in Stockport on Saturday afternoon. So at least it won't be Mon-Fri only.



I think route 6 runs to Bakewell anyway.

TrentBarton's 6.1 only runs to Bakewell on weekdays though. Sunday's is just Derby to Matlock. Having said that the new Red Arrow Sunday buses don't in any way connect!

 

[MCR247]

October 2005, when the Scania/ Wright us Solars were introduced, along with the name 'The Sixes'. They were previously known as R61, R62, R63, R64 and XR6

Why the R?

 

[omnibologist]

Why the R?

The R was used as an abreviation of Rainbow when the Rainbow 1 - 5 services were introduced between Nottingham and Derby, R1 being what is now Transpeak, the R61 etc ran in conjunction with this.

 

[BuhSnarf]

The R was used as an abreviation of Rainbow when the Rainbow 1 - 5 services were introduced between Nottingham and Derby, R1 being what is now Transpeak, the R61 etc ran in conjunction with this.

Rainbow 1 was transpeak?

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[Deerfold]

No, Rainbow 1 was (and still is) various points - Eastwood - Nottingham.

https://www.trentbarton.co.uk/services/rainbow1

Looks like Rainbow 1 will be the last rainbow as Rainbow 3/b/c is becoming the 3a/b/c shortly.

Rainbow 5/B/C became indigo (though indigo also swallowed up the old 1, 3, 10, 310 and 506 routes).

Rainbow 4 is now the i4

Rainbow 2 became the two.

I think R50-odd became the Ruddington Connection and Radcliffe line...

The R15 became my15. I seem to remember the upgrade to "rainbow route" status was a bit rushed when there was competition on this route.

 

[MCR247]

The R was used as an abreviation of Rainbow when the Rainbow 1 - 5 services were introduced between Nottingham and Derby, R1 being what is now Transpeak, the R61 etc ran in conjunction with this.

That doesn't even make sense as R1 has always been what it is now and how would R64 have anything to do with R1?!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Is there a particular liking by the travelling public for "unusual" numbered services in the Derbyshire and the Nottinghamshire areas ?

Or is it just to confuse "the tourists"...

 

[BuhSnarf]

As a previous Nottingham resident and Rainbow 5 user I think it certainly made it better having brands fr a customer point of view.

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[Deerfold]

As a previous Nottingham resident and Rainbow 5 user I think it certainly made it better having brands fr a customer point of view.

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I liked it up to a point, but now every time I go back to Nottingham I have to think, "Now what's the bus I need called now".

 

[BuhSnarf]

I liked it up to a point, but now every time I go back to Nottingham I have to think, "Now what's the bus I need called now".

I think it certainly is easier to remember Indigo than X45!

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[radamfi]

Barry S Doe dislikes Trent because of their use of brand names instead of route numbers, and also because they still use the 12 hour clock in timetables.

He also didn't like Transit Holdings in their latter years (just before Blundred sold out to Stagecoach and First) for similar reasons.

So Barry's holds/held these relatively innovative operators who invests/invested heavily in their local respective markets in lower regard than the mega-groups for rather trivial reasons.

 

[Deerfold]

I think it certainly is easier to remember Indigo than X45!

Really?

It's easy enough betwen Nottingham and Long Eaton - then your bus may go one of 4 ways depending on the destination on the front. Some of them start off the same. They used to use different route numbers to distinguish between them.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Barry S Doe dislikes Trent because of their use of brand names instead of route numbers, and also because they still use the 12 hour clock in timetables.

I still remember how long it took Merseytravel to come to terms with the 24-hour clock in their A5 size rail timetables, where one 12 hour period used to be shown in light-face type and the other 12 hour period was shown in heavy-face type. Mind you,"shell-suits" were also in vogue in the Merseytravel area at the same time...

 

[MCR247]

Really?

It's easy enough betwen Nottingham and Long Eaton - then your bus may go one of 4 ways depending on the destination on the front. Some of them start off the same. They used to use different route numbers to distinguish between them.

It isn't really complicated though

 

[Deerfold]

It isn't really complicated though

No, and they've simplified the intermediate route, so some people won, and some lost as all the buses now go the same way between Nottingham and Long Eaton instead of at least 3 different ones - makes it a lot easier to remember where the buses are gonig though if all 9 an hour take the same route.

 

[BuhSnarf]

Really?

It's easy enough betwen Nottingham and Long Eaton - then your bus may go one of 4 ways depending on the destination on the front. Some of them start off the same. They used to use different route numbers to distinguish between them.

Very much so. For example in Leicester 47/48/49a/b all serve wigston but all split off over the place.

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[WillPS]

No, Rainbow 1 was (and still is) various points - Eastwood - Nottingham.

https://www.trentbarton.co.uk/services/rainbow1

No it wasn't - http://www.focustransport.org.uk/xtp1.aspx

Transpeak was initially included as one of Trent's "Rainbow Routes", and was indeed designated R1. The current route didn't become the Rainbow 1 until somewhere around 1999 - it was a few different "Rainbow Routes" before that.

Looks like Rainbow 1 will be the last rainbow as Rainbow 3/b/c is becoming the 3a/b/c shortly.

Really? I've not seen any indication that those are the brands they're going with.

I think R50-odd became the Ruddington Connection and Radcliffe line...

Ruddington Connection was:
14 - Ruddington
54 - Clifton via Ruddington

Neither were "Rainbow Routes"

 

[Deerfold]

No it wasn't - http://www.focustransport.org.uk/xtp1.aspx

Transpeak was initially included as one of Trent's "Rainbow Routes", and was indeed designated R1. The current route didn't become the Rainbow 1 until somewhere around 1999 - it was a few different "Rainbow Routes" before that.

Yes, was the Current R1 was the R11/R12/R13? I really have no memory of TP being R1 - and I was living on/just off the route 1992-6 but those pics bring it back - apologies.

Really? I've not seen any indication that those are the brands they're going with.

Looks like I misunderstood their initial publicity - there was no mention of "Rainbow" in the article I read, but looking at the site now it looks like they're staying as rainbows.

Ruddington Connection was:
14 - Ruddington
54 - Clifton via Ruddington

Neither were "Rainbow Routes"

They were (and then they were extended to Toton/Sandiacre briefly, replacing the 1/506). There were some R50-odds around somewhere...

Looks like that was my most inaccurate post on this site so far...I'm blaming two 0630 Bank Holiday starts.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Is there any further news on the matter of what could be a small dedicated fleet of high quality vehicles to run the long distance Nottingham /Derby to Manchester services on the Transpeak route.

 

[tbone]

Apparently another omniciti has arrived with High Peak and is in transpeak livery, no conformation of this as yet.

 

[trentside]

Apparently another omniciti has arrived with High Peak and is in transpeak livery, no conformation of this as yet.

According to the usually reliable Derby Bus Depot website, High Peak have acquired two Omnicities from Nottingham City Transport for use on Transpeak - these are YN04GMY and YN04GMZ ex-Skylink. This is in addition to ex-Centrebus YN06CJE - not sure about what's happening with the Olympus double decker, whether that's staying in fleet livery or gaining Transpeak colours.

 

[johnnychips]

Apparently, High Peak are to take over the Matlock-Ashbourne services from TM travel (owned by Trent Barton anyway). I suppose these will be run from the Dove Holes depot? Unfortunately the Derbyshire CC website kept crashing tonight so I couldn't deduce any diagrams.

 

[tbone]

Apparently, High Peak are to take over the Matlock-Ashbourne services from TM travel (owned by Trent Barton anyway). I suppose these will be run from the Dove Holes depot? Unfortunately the Derbyshire CC website kept crashing tonight so I couldn't deduce any diagrams.

They've been cancelled on VOSA by TM travel and Derbshire suggested that High Peak would be the new operator but there have been no registrations by High Peak. If they were to run them they would probably continue the current arrangement of keeping. Bus at the Trent Barton Belper garage

Re the former NCT omnicities, these have apparently gone elsewhere in the Centrebus group to displace 2 08 plate Scania Wrightbus Solars which will be used on transpeak.

 

[johnnychips]

They've been cancelled in VOSA by TM travel .

Apologies for ignorance, but what's VOSA?

 

[starrymarkb]

Vehicle and Operator Services Agency.

They administer the MOT test as well as licences/inspections for commercial vehicle operators ("O-Licence") and bus route registrations.

 

[MCR247]

Sorry if this has already been asked/answered but why was it necessary for the transpeak to be split into 4(?)?