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High Speed Rail for the UK?

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scb201

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Network Rail has announced today that it will be conducting a strategic review into the case for building new rail lines across the network of Great Britain. The review will look at five of Network Rail’s strategic routes, north and west of London: Chiltern, East Coast, West Coast, Great Western and Midland Main Lines.

Iain Coucher, Network Rail’s chief executive said: “By 2025 many lines will be full up, especially those running to and from the north and west of London. This will happen even after we have implemented the investment to boost current capacity.

“With popularity for rail growing, we have to start planning for the medium- and long-term future today. We have to see how we can meet the capacity challenge and see what solutions – including potentially, that of new lines – are deliverable and affordable. This review, working in partnership with other players in the railway industry, will kick start this process.

“Network Rail is uniquely positioned to take a network-whole approach in planning the railway of the future. We have a thriving railway today and that must continue and grow to meet the economic and environmental needs of tomorrow’s Great Britain.”

In the last decade passenger numbers have soared by 40% with 1.13bn journeys a year – the greatest number since 1946 – when the network was twice the size. Today around 22,000 services run on weekdays – up from 17,000 at the time of privatisation. In that time too, the amount of freight carried has rocketed by 60%. All credible current projections point to similar growth over the next decade. Also, punctuality has improved to a point where 90% of services arrive on time.

Network Rail has launched a tendering process to appoint a consultancy to assist this study.

There was also a report on my local news....

http://www.itvlocal.com/thamesvalley/news/

Second story, about 4 mins in
 
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Yes, it's great to live in a country where the government plans transport for the future and not just the short term. I'm sure in 15 years time we'll have one of the best high speed networks in Europe...
 

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Well it's been in every newspaper over the weekend, on the TV and radio. But anyway, journalists have jumped the gun...The study is not for High speed rail, it is for 'additional capacity' which MIGHT include HSR. Conventional lines are being looked at as well, as well as 'Other transport'. According to NR's chief on the Today programme this morning.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKL2167583320080621?rpc=401&

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/137ffea6-3f2c-11dd-8fd9-0000779fd2ac.html

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield-high-speed-rail-plan.4209667.jp

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/he...ts_to_take_the_highspeed_route_to_england.php

http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.2359375.0.highspeed_rail_study_on_way.php

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...d-trains-planned-in-UK-railway-blueprint.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7468000/7468727.stm
 
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Yes. They have announced that they will CONSIDER PROPSALS.
No one said that anyone was actually going to DO anything.

Remember - when faced with a problem, this government doesn't discuss what to DO. It discusses what to SAY.
 

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Im sorry but I have go with the dark side this time.....
I mean it is rare to have the government willing to consider funding the railways.....
Just think back to the time of BR and why privatisation happned (so the government didn't have to fund the railways......
We are lucky and should be thankfull although I would not trust network rail with the building of anything (they didn't do the HS1) as they generally are incompetant.
 

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It won't happen. UK governments will 'talk the green talk', and impose green taxes, but they don't have the vision to invest in high speed rail (the payback would be beyond a 5-year government term so they wouldn't see the benefit themselves).

The time to have done this was so when HS1 finished, so the team could go on to HS2, HS3 etc.

CS
 

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There was also a report on my local news....

http://www.itvlocal.com/thamesvalley/news/

Second story, about 4 mins in

Froth!

Network Rail aren't proposing to pay for this, they are just trying to get brownie points and distract attention from their shambolic day to day operations, over running engineering work, poor asset maintenence etc...

Oh and the fact they can barely keep the railway open for five days a week!
 

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It won't happen. UK governments will 'talk the green talk', and impose green taxes, but they don't have the vision to invest in high speed rail (the payback would be beyond a 5-year government term so they wouldn't see the benefit themselves).

The time to have done this was so when HS1 finished, so the team could go on to HS2, HS3 etc.

CS

Given that all the franchises let in the past two years have been on a basis of dramatically raising walk up fares and pricing off demand, there is clearly no real agenda encourage serious growth in rail travel.

We will still have a network clogged with 2,3,4,5 carriage trains, full of people paying high prices.

The growth we have seen since privatisation can largely be attributed to rising economic growth, disposable income, population, and running shorter, more frequent services.

If I had £1 everytime somebody quotes me a Saver / Open fare and asks 'aren't the goverment meant to be encouraging us to use public transport?' I wouldn't need to work for a living....!
 

bunnahabhain

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All we're probably going to get in the next twenty years are slightly longer trains, a handful of new stations, and maybe a few dozen miles of re-opened line if we're lucky, if anything else, that will just add more congestion on the current lines. So prices will go up to match the number of people travelling, so basically the commuters will get hit the worst with the leisure travellers just choosing to shop locally or visit local attractions.

In all, probably bad for everybody, but whatever happens, if a new main line is built, 90% of the country will complain it doesn't serve them, and the other 10% will complain that they've got to put up with a new railway.
 
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