HS2 Phase 2a Route Safeguarding Ended

[LNW-GW Joint]

What's even the problem with the current stoke to Manchester line?
All the manchester trains?

Colwich-Stoke-Manchester is a congested winding route and can't easily be speeded up (this will be one route HS2 trains will be slower).
Colwich-Stafford-Crewe-Manchester has the Colwich/Shugborough capacity bottleneck (2 miles of 2-track), and congestion at Crewe and towards Manchester.

 

[The Planner]

Well HS2 Phase 2A is pretty terrible in that respect given that none of the HS2 proposed stations are actually in Staffordshire.

It is absolutely no use for people who want better journeys from Staffordshire to Manchester.
Indeed HS2 Phase 2A may hurt Stoke by forcing all the Manchester trains to route via Crewe to make any use of it.

That was always the plan though, which is why Handsacre was left with the 1tph to Macclesfield.

Where's the design?

I expect its on Google somewhere. The fast line junction requires the Up Slow and Fast to be re-aligned to the east so a double line flyover can land in the middle. The Slow line junction was exactly that, a single line flyover for the Down Slow and a junction off the Up Slow.

 

[HSTEd]

That was always the plan though, which is why Handsacre was left with the 1tph to Macclesfield.

Just becuase something was always planned doesn't require people to support it.

I was merely pointing out that a new line from Manchester to Staffordshire is not really fulfilled by the HS2 project, let alone by Phase 2A and thus it is not silly for the MP to say that after voting against it.

 

[Travelmonkey]

Especially when there is 2 mothballed stations that could be easily be reopened in some form for a PR win, e.g utilise wedgewood as a "Stoke parkway" although HS2 looks to cull the Tamworth & Lichfield avanti calls so they'd need a some safeguarding, also when the main East>West line still runs on semaphores makes Staffordshire seem a mix bag.

 

[Danfilm007]

That was always the plan though, which is why Handsacre was left with the 1tph to Macclesfield.


I expect its on Google somewhere. The fast line junction requires the Up Slow and Fast to be re-aligned to the east so a double line flyover can land in the middle. The Slow line junction was exactly that, a single line flyover for the Down Slow and a junction off the Up Slow.

Thanks, I thought so!

 

[WatcherZero]

Well HS2 Phase 2A is pretty terrible in that respect given that none of the HS2 proposed stations are actually in Staffordshire.

It is absolutely no use for people who want better journeys from Staffordshire to Manchester.
Indeed HS2 Phase 2A may hurt Stoke by forcing all the Manchester trains to route via Crewe to make any use of it.

The London- Macclesfield 2A service would have called at Euston, Old Oak, Stafford, Stoke and Macclesfield as well as the Scotland-Birmingham trains in 2B but your right Manchester itself wasnt directly served to Staffordshire however it would have freed the lines for more services and and more passenger capacity.

Hmmm

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Yet another anti-rail decision by the Secretary of State for Roads. I'd be interested to know how this annoucement aligns with Harper's recent declaration of intent to increase freight carried by rail by 75%.

When was the position of Secretary of State for Roads created and which political party was in power when this post was created?

 

[slowroad]

When was the position of Secretary of State for Roads created and which political party was in power when this post was created?

If that was his job title he would not be meeting his objectives since his department spends far more on rail than on roads despite the number of rail users being less than ten per cent of road users (very roughly).

 

[Trainbike46]

If that was his job title he would not be meeting his objectives since his department spends far more on rail than on roads despite the number of rail users being less than ten per cent of road users (very roughly).

Railways are almost everywhere a central government responsibility, whereas the vast majority of roads are administered, built and maintained by local governments such as city councils, district councils, county councils, TfL, unitary authorities, etc. so a lower central government spend makes sense

 

[HSTEd]

Railways are almost everywhere a central government responsibility, whereas the vast majority of roads are administered, built and maintained by local governments such as city councils, district councils, county councils, TfL, unitary authorities, etc. so a lower central government spend makes sense

Although hard figures are difficult to come by, it is probable that all government spending on roads at all levels totals about £12bn a year.

Subsidies to the non-HS2 portion of the rail industry were £12bn in the last financial year and HS2 consumed £8bn more on top of that.

 

[12LDA28C]

When was the position of Secretary of State for Roads created and which political party was in power when this post was created?

I believe you may have misunderstood. Clearly I was referring to the Secretary Of State for Transport, who saw fit to divert billions of pounds of investment from HS2 into a road-surfacing program, hence his apparent bias towards roads.

If that was his job title he would not be meeting his objectives since his department spends far more on rail than on roads despite the number of rail users being less than ten per cent of road users (very roughly).

A misleading (to a certain extent) and ultimately pointless comparison. People use trains and cars for different purposes, and surely the Government should be encouraging modal shift towards rail, in line with its alleged 'net zero' aspirations.

 

[Mag_seven]

Just a reminder that the topic of this thread is HS2 Phase 2A Route Safeguarding Ended

This thread is not about electric cars or strikes

thanks

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Indeed HS2 Phase 2A may hurt Stoke by forcing all the Manchester trains to route via Crewe to make any use of it.

"All" the Manchester trains?....that news will go down like the proverbial lead balloon in the railway stations at Bramhall, Poynton, Prestbury, Macclesfield and Congleton.

 

[HSTEd]

"All" the Manchester trains?....that news will go down like the proverbial lead balloon in the railway stations at Bramhall, Poynton, Prestbury, Macclesfield and Congleton.

I meant the ICWC London-Manchester trains, of which two per hour go via Stoke rather than Crewe.
And as far as I know the only one of those stations with (regular) London trains is Macclesfield.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I meant the ICWC London-Manchester trains, of which two per hour go via Stoke rather than Crewe.
And as far as I know the only one of those stations with (regular) London trains is Macclesfield.

People on those other stations mentioned rely on Macclesfield station rather than Manchester to use the ICWC Manchester to London trains.