Hull Trains Problems , Stock Problems

[lincolnshire]

Hull Trains are having a second day of a train shortage according to local television and radio again this morning.
I wonder how many days this will last?

 

[jonhewes]

They should hire out 86101 again, though this time with a 67 dragging between Doncaster and Hull

 

[43067]

Surprised they haven't gone to GC with cap in hand to loan another 180.

 

[GNERman]

Looks like FHT are struggling with the 180's again.

(From NRES)

A reduction in the number of trains available to First Hull Trains means they are running an amended service on Tuesday 6 November.

Because of this, the following amendments apply:

11:48 London Kings Cross to Hull is cancelled.

13.48 London Kings Cross to Hull will terminate at Selby

15.10 Hull to London Kings Cross will start at Selby at 15:46

17:10 Hull to London Kings Cross is cancelled.

20:30 London Kings Cross to Hull will start at Doncaster 22:07

----

0825 Hull to London Kings Cross was also cancelled.

I think I read that yesterday they ran no trains south of Doncaster, and on Sunday they had only two trains available. There is an FHT 180 at Crofton at the moment with wheel flats, why it's at Crofton is anyone's guess. Let's hope this doesn't last for much longer...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-20218468

http://www.thisishullandeastriding....s-disruption/story-17246086-detail/story.html

 

[ChilternHenry]

could they not hire out a 222? I thought they used to operate these, and to be honest, don't know why they got rid of them.

 

[ainsworth74]

could they not hire out a 222? I thought they used to operate these, and to be honest, don't know why they got rid of them.

They did but I'm not sure if any of their staff would still sign them at this point, also this assumes EMT have any spare. I can't recall the exact reason but I believe it was in part motivated by 222103 being heavily damaged after being dropped whilst undergoing maintenance and also the DfT 'encouraging' them to take 180s and send the 222s to EMT. Certainly it's been a bad trade for HT.

 

[IanXC]

Surprised they haven't gone to GC with cap in hand to loan another 180.

Could GC spare another though?

could they not hire out a 222? I thought they used to operate these, and to be honest, don't know why they got rid of them.

Thats some years ago now though, so the crew's traction knowledge will have lapsed along time ago.

I think I'm right in saying that HT didn't really get rid of the 222s, more that they were required to give them up.
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Certainly it's been a bad trade for HT.

^ This could be understatement of the week!!

 

[RobShipway]

It is a shame that none of the Hull Drivers sign for HSTS as they could possibly get a spare set from their sister company FGW?

 

[Nym]

It is a shame that none of the Hull Drivers sign for HSTS as they could possibly get a spare set from their sister company FGW?

FGW could always provide an HST with drivers, or even one of their 180s...

 

[RobShipway]

FGW could always provide an HST with drivers, or even one of their 180s...

But they would need a FGW driver that has signed to say that they know the Hull Trains routes.

 

[ainsworth74]

FGW could always provide an HST with drivers, or even one of their 180s...

One of their 180s is more likely than sending an HST and driver though they can't surely have that much slack in the fleet? Sending an HST and drivers would mean paying two drivers to do the job of one on the services it's used on!

 

[RobShipway]

One of their 180s is more likely than sending an HST and driver though they can't surely have that much slack in the fleet? Sending an HST and drivers would mean paying two drivers to do the job of one on the services it's used on!

Plus the Hull Trains driver has all ready signed to be able to drive Class 180s that is aware of the route.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

But they would need a FGW driver that has signed to say that they know the Hull Trains routes.

Not true, Hull Trains could provide a driver as a route conductor for the FGW driver.

 

[syorksdeano]

I'm quite surprised that Hull Trains have been allowed to get away with the continued 'operational difficulties' for so long

 

[ainsworth74]

I'm quite surprised that Hull Trains have been allowed to get away with the continued 'operational difficulties' for so long

I'm not sure who'd step in to punish them for it? They aren't a franchise so they're not violating a franchise agreement by not running the services as advertised. I suppose the ORR could perhaps step in but I'm not sure on what grounds.

 

[67012]

One of their 180s is more likely than sending an HST and driver though they can't surely have that much slack in the fleet? Sending an HST and drivers would mean paying two drivers to do the job of one on the services it's used on!

But probably cheaper paying 2 drivers rather than paying East Coast to carry its tickets i would have thought.

 

[tankmc]

I had this 6 months a go. Ended up getting a bus from Doncaster.

 

[ainsworth74]

But probably cheaper paying 2 drivers rather than paying East Coast to carry its tickets i would have thought.

Drivers aren't exactly cheap. But beyond that has anyone considered that if it was as simple as sending an HST and driver to HT to cover for the absence of a 180, HT and FGW would have already done it? I refuse to believe that we've thought of something they haven't.

 

[robertclark125]

It's certainly not doing HT's reputation any good at this moment. The other thing is, could they possibly hire in a train from East Coast? They do, or did, a morning Hull - London working, and evening return, so surely there is driver knowledge there.

 

[MCR247]

The driver knowledge ideally needs to be with the TOC driving it

 

[ash39]

Don't think EC would have a spare hst to loan out. They're pretty heavily utilised.

Anyone else find the amended timetable amusing? First 'hull' trains, but none of them make it to hull!

 

[ainsworth74]

Anyone else find the amended timetable amusing? First 'hull' trains, but none of them make it to hull!

Perhaps it's just me being cynical but maybe it has something to do with the money being between Doncaster and London not Hull and Doncaster.

 

[Qwerty133]

Could someone (LM?) loan EMT a 153 which they could use on Corby services and then loan out a meridian to hull trains

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I'd like to see all the passengers from Kettering, Bedford and Luton to London try and fit in a 153...

 

[Wath Yard]

LM only use one of their Class 139 PPMs at any one time. Couldn't HT hire the spare one?

 

[ryan125hst]

LM only use one of their Class 139 PPMs at any one time. Couldn't HT hire the spare one?

Don't forget, the ECML is a 125 mph railway

 

[D365]

LM only use one of their Class 139 PPMs at any one time. Couldn't HT hire the spare one?

Would love to see that slotted in over Digswell Viaduct

I'd like to see all the passengers from Kettering, Bedford and Luton to London try and fit in a 153...

The PPM?

 

[Rich McLean]

The most obvious solution would be for FGW to loan HT a 180 for the time being

 

[ainsworth74]

Could someone (LM?) loan EMT a 153 which they could use on Corby services and then loan out a meridian to hull trains

You of course still have the issue of HT probably not still signing 222s. The only option as I see it is for HT to borrow another 180 from either GC or FGW I just don't see them going for any other solution.

Don't forget, the ECML is a 125 mph railway

Strap a couple of rockets to it

 

[ryan125hst]

Strap a couple of rockets to it

That won't meet the safety regulations surely. Then there's the lack of toilets and catering to sort out.

And what about first class?