They get the details from the Trainline. If the person whose details they get says it wasn't them, they compare that persons face with the CCTV one. This does not seem to me difficult to predict.
It is not needed but they have it anyway. Belt and braced.
Some of the forum elders might check this email for you.
How do they know what Mr John Smith of 23 Acacia Avenue looks like from his Trainline account? Or any of the data they hold about him?
In the extreme, they require that person to present himself to the court and attest that he is that person. I do not think that you can refuse to answer that on the ground that it will incriminate you!
That’s not how being prosecuted works, you can’t just get someone’s details, charge them with a criminal offence with no reasonable suspicion, and see if the person who turns up looks like a grainy CCTV image. You have to ascertain if they look like the CCTV image first, which is impossible for the reasons I already laid out.
How will it be worse? Northern settle basically all the time, even when false details are given. Nobody has been able to recall the company prosecuting anyone after they engage with paperwork which arrives, nor any sort of inflated settlement fee for telling lies at the outset.
I don’t agree that, given what we know about Northern, that there is greater risk in simply telling no lies but waiting for the correspondence to arrive.
Owning up to one pound and fifty pee not paid on the basis of anonymous people on the internet’s advice is not honourable. It is silly. Not one of us could claim to have a perfect conscience for £1.50 (I falsely claimed a student discount in the Vatican once and saved four Euro!) and none of us are going to suddenly start walking ourselves into situations where we get prosecuted.
I am confident that buying the ticket seen by the inspector and then not identifying anyone else looking like the image will be accepted as reasonable suspicion for prosecution.
How do they know what the OP looks like? That’s not how this works.
You might face a higher judge one day for that! One not inclined to settle out of court...
They visit and say "are you X?" Unless the OP is willing to refuse their identity to routine callers at their door, which I found few did when I did door-to-door work, then it will be fairly easy to discover what they look like.
If some random person turned up at my door asking if I’m MrX they would get told to F Off and the door slammed in thier face
So the train company goes and knocks on your door and asks who you are, right. Then what? They take pictures of you? And submit it to the court? Why not just hire a private investigator for the £1.50 avoided? I’m interested in how you think this works, because it’s not how this sort of thing works.
The OP lied and gave someone else’s name and address, not their correct name but their old address by accident, which is materially different.
You must be a joy for couriers to deliver to!
Certainly agree that the specific circumstances differ but I believe the OP contended that giving the wrong details was a drunken error of judgement, in which case I still wonder if trying to correct the mistake as soon as possible could be argued to be to their credit.
Good to see a bit of common sense being applied by the court.
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Northern settle for pretty much a standard fee, which isn’t really related to their actual costs as much as we might like to think.
why would they need to ask my name they are just delivering a package to my address and I would be epecting it anyway, someone randomly turning up empty handed asking for me to confirm my name gets the response I said earlier, I am under no obligation to confirm my nam3at m6 own address
Your underlined assumption is wrong; it was a RRA offence.
Apologies - I should have read more carefully. Post corrected.
But the call on that comes with the barrier stage at the pearly gates, not the station ticket line gates.
