'Idiotic' man caught riding on top of Chester-bound train

[LowLevel]

You may not get in trouble with your TOC then but I think you may get in trouble with the law.

Real life isn't a James Bond movie. Coaxing a train to a gentle stand in order not to dislodge someone hanging on to it is not a practicality. The safest thing to do is stop moving as quickly as possible - what if they were to fall off anyway as you glide gently to a halt several miles later?

 

[HSTEd]

Why would a driver or guard get into trouble with the law for dumping the emergency brake the moment they became aware of someone hanging onto the outside of the train? It is an emergency as they may slip,off the moving train at any moment.

Well if they knew that stopping the train smoothly was less likely to result in the person being dislodged and getting killed than doing so with a maximum brake application immediately - then by applying maximum brake they are deliberately endangering the person.

Or something like that.
Turns into a situation where you are screwed either way.

 

[fredk]

Why would a driver or guard get into trouble with the law for dumping the emergency brake the moment they became aware of someone hanging onto the outside of the train? It is an emergency as they may slip,off the moving train at any moment.

The unexpected rapid deceleration caused by the emergency brake could cause the person to fall off.

 

[Elecman]

Well if they knew that stopping the train smoothly was less likely to result in the person being dislodged and getting killed than doing so with a maximum brake application immediately - then by applying maximum brake they are deliberately endangering the person.

Or something like that.
Turns into a situation where you are screwed either way.

How would a driver or guard know that the idiot could hang on and not slip,whilstnthentrain gently coasts to a stop,under a gentle brake application ? what about the signaller being informed and reverting a signal to red the driver has to do an emergency stop then.

 

[158747]

Well if they knew that stopping the train smoothly was less likely to result in the person being dislodged and getting killed than doing so with a maximum brake application immediately - then by applying maximum brake they are deliberately endangering the person.

Surely in a case such as this, if someone chooses to travel on the roof of a moving train then they are deliberately endangering themselves.

 

[zuriblue]

There are two separate incidents, which look like they are the same person.

The video in the Birmingham Mail is on a class 321 heading into London Liverpool Street at high speed.

There is another instance shown in the Chester Chronicle above of him on top of a Merseyrail train on the Wirral Line in Liverpool.

Not sure why "idiotic" is in ''. He is an idiot.

I can think of 25,000 good reasons why it's a bad idea to surf on top of a class 321. He is, indeed, an idiot.

 

[AlterEgo]

I can think of 25,000 good reasons why it's a bad idea to surf on top of a class 321. He is, indeed, an idiot.

He wasn't on top of the Class 321.

 

[Penmorfa]

Can the title of the thread be changed? 'Idiotic' man caught riding on top of Chester-bound train. Sadly he has'nt been caught, yet.

 

[GatwickDepress]

'Silver Shadow' is a reference to a work of fiction in the Fallout 4 narrative. I can't help but feel this individual's fantasies are likely dangerously obsessive.

Sorry to be geekily pedantic, but the name of the pre-war vigilante is actually the Silver Shroud. The Silver Shadow is a model of car produced by Rolls-Royce though. :P

 

[scott118]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQBkiFgW68

 

[najaB]

Well if they knew that stopping the train smoothly was less likely to result in the person being dislodged and getting killed than doing so with a maximum brake application immediately - then by applying maximum brake they are deliberately endangering the person.

The longer the train is in motion, the more chance that they will fall off or be collected by lineside infrastructure, a tunnel or a passing train (if hanging off the side). Stopping the train as quickly as possible is the only reasonable action.

 

[L&Y Robert]

There should be some rules put into The Rule Book about this so that staff know i.e. they are quite clear - what to do.

Train surfers only train surf because it's outrageously dangerous. That's where the thrill is - the danger.

 

[dviner]

Suggested substitution for his "Silver Shadow" moniker:

http://nonadventures.com/2015/06/20/the-some-of-all-fears/

(basically, boiled down to - don't turn people into anti-hero role models, just refer to them as "some a**hole").

 

[edwin_m]

Is the emergency brake that more vicious on a train than full service anyway? With trams it doubles the deceleration and this is recognised as hazard, but trains only increase it by a third or so.

 

[Elecman]

Presumably as on a tram it drops the track magnet brake?

 

[edwin_m]

Presumably as on a tram it drops the track magnet brake?

Yes..

 

[Uzair]

This is not India.

Or Paris.