Independent Operators in the Lothians

[Bedford OB]

The number of independant bus operators in the Lothians does seem to be ever decreasing, what with Eve now bought by Lothian only months after Horsburgh stopped operating public bus services. While many companies operate routes into the Lothians, I believe there are only 4 independent operators based in the area who still run public services; SD Travel, Prentice Westwood, Edinburgh Coach Lines and Prenctice of Haddington. (I'm not counting Waverley Travel, the RBS shuttle isn't a public service).
It does seem like the trend is going to contiue, and currently only Prentice of Haddington and SD Travel have significant networks of bus routes.

Can't be sure on the exact number, but even 10 years ago there were quite a few more independants in the area.

It's nearly that bad, but you have missed out HcL, which has a number of registered services, some on permits, and Prentice Westwood. Strictly speaking, Festival Travel are also based (HQ) in Lothian, but their registered services all operate from the Fife depot.

 

[roadierway77]

The number of independant bus operators in the Lothians does seem to be ever decreasing, what with Eve now bought by Lothian only months after Horsburgh stopped operating public bus services. While many companies operate routes into the Lothians, I believe there are only 4 independent operators based in the area who still run public services; SD Travel, Prentice Westwood, Edinburgh Coach Lines and Prenctice of Haddington. (I'm not counting Waverley Travel, the RBS shuttle isn't a public service).
It does seem like the trend is going to contiue, and currently only Prentice of Haddington and SD Travel have significant networks of bus routes.

Can't be sure on the exact number, but even 10 years ago there were quite a few more independants in the area.

There's also the community bus operators HcL and Lothian Community Transport.

Lothian dominates the urban areas of the Lothians where it is easiest to operate profitable bus services. The rest of the region is rural and I don't believe it's a coincidence that three of the four remaining independents primarily operate council tenders, and even Prentice of Haddington has a large proportion of subsidised services. Lothian is such a large operator in the region that it's essentially impossible for the smaller companies to compete and there are very few potential revenue streams that Lothian hasn't already taken advantage of. This along with declining bus patronage are likely the major factors contributing to the decline of independent operators in the Lothians. It is a shame to see smaller companies disappear but at the same time, their absorption into or replacement by Lothian Buses does bring about benefits for the passenger, such as improved real-time information and reliability, along with better value for money in terms of tickets.

 

[Porty]

On a unrelated note it's been almost a month since the 111 changes, anyone notice if the changes have been beneficial for folk going to Fort Kinnaird and the Royal?

I don't think anyone else has commented but I see there was a service change on 8th Jan with the 111 going via Fort Kinnaird in the middle* of the day. Presumably passenger numbers were healthy enough to bring in a change of route.

*Departs Musselburgh High St between 0953 and 1613, and departs Royal between 1010 and 1710.

Earlier and later 111A services, and 3 or 4 services in the middle of the day (M-F only), operate directly via Stoneybank and Monktonhall and missing out Fort Kinnaird.

I don't know what the service level and numbering was before last summer? Is the 111A daytime service effectively a renumbered and truncated service from before? The 3 or 4 daytime ones don't go further east than Musselburgh High Street.

 

[FP transport v]

Hello, got a sort of random question. I've recently found myself rediscovering a memory I didn't know I had of blue and silver MCW Metrobus's running to and from Dalkeith campus as school buses and just wondered if anyone knew what company these were running with?

 

[ChrisPJ]

Possibly Allan’s of gore bridge?

 

[Bedford OB]

Hello, got a sort of random question. I've recently found myself rediscovering a memory I didn't know I had of blue and silver MCW Metrobus's running to and from Dalkeith campus as school buses and just wondered if anyone knew what company these were running with?

Allans of Gorebridge had two ex London Metrobuses, OJD817Y and 871Y, formerly M817 and M871. Acquired in early 2001, the rist kept for two years, the second for 16 months.

 

[FP transport v]

Allans of Gorebridge had two ex London Metrobuses, OJD817Y and 871Y, formerly M817 and M871. Acquired in early 2001, the rist kept for two years, the second for 16 months.

Can't have been one of these. I believe the ones I remember were running around in the old Travel West Midlands livery, certainly a livery that looked very similar to it if not. Cheers for the response anyway

 

[Lothianbus703]

Does anybody know what the route of the Waverley travel RBS shuttle is?

 

[CSB0241]

Does anybody know what the route of the Waverley travel RBS shuttle is?

I believe it’s as follows:
Ingliston P&R • RBS • Gyle Centre • Edinburgh Park Station.

 

[Porty]

The number of independant bus operators in the Lothians does seem to be ever decreasing, what with Eve now bought by Lothian only months after Horsburgh stopped operating public bus services. While many companies operate routes into the Lothians, I believe there are only 4 independent operators based in the area who still run public services; SD Travel, Prentice Westwood, Edinburgh Coach Lines and Prenctice of Haddington. (I'm not counting Waverley Travel, the RBS shuttle isn't a public service).
It does seem like the trend is going to contiue, and currently only Prentice of Haddington and SD Travel have significant networks of bus routes.

Can't be sure on the exact number, but even 10 years ago there were quite a few more independants in the area.

A new addition, of sorts. See the Ember page for the new twice daily service from Wallyford Park and Ride to Kinross and Dundee in a couple of weeks time.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

A new addition, of sorts. See the Ember page for the new twice daily service from Wallyford Park and Ride to Kinross and Dundee in a couple of weeks time.

That might be a new candidate for the most pointless route I have ever seen. Who on earth needs to make such a journey? I could understand an E1X between Dundee and Edinburgh, but Wallyford? Wow that’s crazy.

 

[stevenedin]

That might be a new candidate for the most pointless route I have ever seen. Who on earth needs to make such a journey? I could understand an E1X between Dundee and Edinburgh, but Wallyford? Wow that’s crazy.

It’s a good route for people from East Lothian heading to Dundee and Kinross. There is a park and ride for people to drop their car off.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

That might be a new candidate for the most pointless route I have ever seen. Who on earth needs to make such a journey? I could understand an E1X between Dundee and Edinburgh, but Wallyford? Wow that’s crazy.

Dead mileage killer to utilise the new charger at Wallyford park & ride I believe

 

[318266]

Who on earth needs to make such a journey?

The only vaguely useful run is the 1651 from Edinburgh to Wallyford on the weekend - other than that can't see any reason to use that part of the E1X for anything other than very niche enthusiast loops.

 

[GusB]

We already have a thread for discussing Ember:

Ember: Electric coach service

Does anyone know anything further about the planned electric coach service between Dundee and Edinburgh? Bus & Coach Buyer reported on it a couple of weeks back but it's the only report I can find on it, the internet is bringing up a dead search. Planned to start in April 2020 with a Yutong...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[stevenedin]

Does anyone know what happened to E & M Horsburgh’s service buses since they withdrew them late last year? I’d be interested to know if RIG 6491 & RIG 6492 are still around or not. I can’t find anything online.

 

[318266]

RIG6491 & RIG6492 are still sat in the yard, to my knowledge.

The only bus I know to have been sold was SN06BSO (Dennis Dart MPD/Plaxton Pointer 2), which was to a certain Avondale Coaches of Clydebank. Lasted approximately 3 months before being withdrawn by Avondale.

 

[stevenedin]

RIG6491 & RIG6492 are still sat in the yard, to my knowledge.

The only bus I know to have been sold was SN06BSO (Dennis Dart MPD/Plaxton Pointer 2), which was to a certain Avondale Coaches of Clydebank. Lasted approximately 3 months before being withdrawn by Avondale.

Thanks