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Is London Bridge in Central London?

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Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/has-gtr-finally-written-off-the-gatwick-express.252078/
The adverts don't say London Bridge, the cheaper fare is described as Gatwick to Central London

So appears now advertising as Express to Victoria looks to be a slower and more expensive service, compared to quicker and cheaper train to Central London.

If you were a visiting tourist which destination (central London, or Victoria) would you pick ?
Technically and Legally London Bridge Station is in Southwark, South East London it has a London SE1 address. The first station served by Thameslink services in Central London is Blackfriars (EC4 postcode) which has a minimum Journeytime of 35 mins.
 
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The adverts don't say London Bridge, the cheaper fare is described as Gatwick to Central London

So appears now advertising as Express to Victoria looks to be a slower and more expensive service, compared to quicker and cheaper train to Central London.

If you were a visiting tourist which destination (central London, or Victoria) would you pick ?

OK - but the text I was responding to did specifically say London Bridge.

Technically and Legally London Bridge Station is in Southwark, South East London it has a London SE1 address. The first station served by Thameslink services in Central London is Blackfriars (EC4 postcode) which has a minimum Journeytime of 35 mins.

Definitions of "central" London can be a fascinating debate ... I will restrain myself.
 

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Definitions of "central" London can be a fascinating debate ... I will restrain myself.
I'll bite. Within the boundary of, or no more than five minutes' walk from, a Circle Line station?! So, London Bridge station wouldn't quite make the definition!
 

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London Bridge is most certainly in Central London. It's in Travelcard Zone 1, a short distance from the City across the bridge, has offices including The Shard, a tourist attraction in HMS Belfast and Tower Bridge is a very short walk away.

The same argument could be made about Waterloo which is also SE1 which again has tourist attractions including the London Eye, Royal Festival Hall and a short walk across the Thames to the West End.
 

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I'll bite. Within the boundary of, or no more than five minutes' walk from, a Circle Line station?! So, London Bridge station wouldn't quite make the definition!
According to Google maps, which is usually quite generous, it takes 7 minutes to walk from London Bridge to Monument.
 

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Definitions of "central" London can be a fascinating debate ... I will restrain myself.

I'll bite. Within the boundary of, or no more than five minutes' walk from, a Circle Line station?! So, London Bridge station wouldn't quite make the definition!

According to Google maps, which is usually quite generous, it takes 7 minutes to walk from London Bridge to Monument.

Which I think - just about - backs up my earlier assertion.

Although, I suppose that it could alternatively equally be validly argued that anywhere within Travelcard Zone 1 is "Central London", as @bicbasher has endeavoured to do.

Which perhaps then does make London Bridge a "Central London" station as the Thameslink advert seems to be claiming.

Perhaps?!
 

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How can London Bridge not be in central London?
As someone who spent the first 30 years of his life in London I feel my opinion is definitive. :D :D:D
 

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According to Google maps, which is usually quite generous, it takes 7 minutes to walk from London Bridge to Monument.
So what?
Once you're on the bridge you are within the City of London, which definitely counts as central London.

I'm not quite sure why this and the original thread got bogged down on London Bridge as the 'central' London destination for Thameslink from Gatwick. The whole point of the service is that it doesn't terminate at London Bridge.
 
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I'm not quite sure why this and the original thread got bogged down on London Bridge as the 'central' London destination for Thameslink from Gatwick. The whole point of the service is that it doesn't terminate at London Bridge.
Wasn't that because the Thameslink advert was claiming that "Central London" from Gatwick Airport was possible in as little as 29 minutes?

Can you get to London Blackfriars / City Thameslink / Farringdon from Gatwick Airport in that time?
 

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London Bridge is one of the members of the "London Terminals" fares group, which is probably as close as you would get to a definition of Central London from a National Rail perspective.
 

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But to what extent can anywhere that's "Sarf of the River" (where no self-respecting London cabbie would ever deign to go) ever be considered to be "Central London"?
 

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But to what extent can anywhere that's "Sarf of the River" (where no self-respecting London cabbie would ever deign to go) ever be considered to be "Central London"?
Traditionally it's not I grant you, but as a formerly (pre 2020) regular visitor to London, the Southwark area definitely feels more central Londonny than the area around Euston/Kings Cross/St Pancras.
 

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My first thought was the bridge itself, which leads directly into the City. So my initial answer was "yes, obviously".

As for the station, well it's only just over the bridge but on the south bank. I'd still consider it as Central London, though, same as I would anywhere on the south bank between Tower Bridge and Waterloo.
 

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I'd say Elephant and Castle is the southern threshold between Central London and South London.
 

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I marched over London Bridge every summer for a few years in the 1960s together with other long-suffering pupils of St Dunstan's College of Catford, Lomdon, SE6. on our way from Cannon Street Station to Southwark Cathedral, just south of London Bridge. The ritual formed part of the honouring of the Freedom of the City of London bestowed on the college in the nineteenth century as it got its name from the church parish of St-Dunstan-in-the-East situated midway between the Monument and the Tower of London. We were always told that no other school/college had this honour, but that may have been propaganda. We were accompanied by City of London police constables on the first half and Met Police constables south of the river, and vehicular traffic was stopped while we processed. Most of us regarded it as a nice day off from school, because it was an academic institution then first and foremost, and apparently run on half a shoestring. If we'd not been a day school, I honestly think we'd have been a male equivalent of St Trinian's, with the most eccentric oddballs as teachers, many cast-offs from the state system, a defrocked vicar and one who used to receive his daily copy of the Russian communist state newspaper Pravda by post there!

Which is all to say that London Bridge itself and the areas within a mile or so from either end of it were the original Central London, or , rather, Londinium and no jiggery-pokery can alter that fact.
 

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I'd say Elephant and Castle is the southern threshold between Central London and South London.
The Elephant itself, definitely Sayerf. The bit of Southwark north of it possibly but when I used to visit the area quite regularly, the people who lived near the Elephant in the shops and at the market stalls, the way they talked, definitely Sayerf!
I lived near Brockley for a number of years and never considered it central either.
Its not even close! Its in Lewisham, If it's in central London so is The New Den. Try selling that to Millwall supporters. My dad worked in Deptford, there is no way he, or his mates, would have regarded that as Central London. Central London was a place to avoid (different class of people entirely - which may be truth or myth).
 

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Sorry but Battersea, Kilburn, Hackney Wick, Clapham could no way be considered central London. Stratford is zone 2/3 and is still considered Essex by some!
I think all of those places are in Inner London, but that is not the same as Central London.
 
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