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Kings Cross to Newcastle - times to avoid

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bazink

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Hello,

First off, I do not hold any discount cards. I am an adult who will be travelling alone. I retired myself a while back but am below 60. This means I am free to chose the best travelling times. I am more interested in getting there quickly, but a 3 hrs 20 min journey between Newcastle and Kings X is fine (it can be done in 2 hrs 50 mins, I believe). Hopefully there will still be times that will be cheaper. But I am not aiming for the absolute cheapest fare.

I will be travelling from South Croydon to Kings Cross, then to Newcastle upon Tyne, my birth city, for around 8 nights. I have to fit these times around September 8, 9 and 10 (nights, going by car, leaving morning of the 11th), when I will be taking a mini break in the countryside with my sister and her family. So, ignoring that Friday, Saturday and Sunday, which weekdays and times are best for relatively uncrowded travel? If departing on the Mon 11th, I would probably do so mid-day or in the afternoon. It might be better to wait till Tuesday or later, of course. I want to avoid rush hours, especially in London - tho I've noticed the "rush hour" seems to extend well past 7 pm on some days.

Do you have any advice for me, please, on the best times of day, and/or days, to travel? Also, where is the best place to check for known disruptions, e.g. engineering work?

I have an email telling me I need to set up a new Virgin account. Probably Virgin controls all those routes now.
 
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If you are happy to buy Advance tickets (tickets bought in advance and valid only on the trains you specify at the time of booking), the trains with the cheapest Advances are likely to be the least busy (because Advance tickets for a particular journey are likely to be available at several prices, with any particular price being offered only after all lower-priced Advances for that journey have sold out). Travelling out of London on a weekday, morning trains, early-afternoon trains, and late-evening trains, are likely to be least busy, although if you have a reserved seat (compulsory with an Advance ticket, optional otherwise) it probably doesn't matter how busy the train is.

As regards engineering work in September on the East Coast mainline, the main problem is with travel north of Newcastle at weekends, so that shouldn't affect you. But you can look on National Rail Enquiries for engineering works, which are generally known about 12 weeks ahead.

For the second/third week of September you should be able to find London/Newcastle tickets at £28 one-way. A through Advance from South Croydon to Newcastle (or vice versa) seems to cost an extra £4.60, which is similar to South Croydon to Kings Cross by train and tube on Oyster/contactless.
 
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Thanks for the info, Romilly. Sounds good. I'll look for Advance tickets. I'll avoid late evening trains - not my cup of tea.

I see you've added the prices - thanks. They are cheap compared to years ago (e.g. 1980s), so I'll look out for those.
 
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It may be worth, if you're not in a particular hurry, to also check Grand Central fares between London King's Cross and York, and then another operator's fares onward to Newcastle.

Personally, I regularly combine Grand Central and First Transpennine Express services and an unhurried connection at York. You can, of course, deliberately extend your connection there and pop over to the National Railway Museum, have a pint at The York Tap, take tea at The Principal (formerly The Royal York) or have a wander around the city, depending on how encumbered with luggage you may be.
 

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Thanks for the info, FQTV, but I'm not keen to break my journey. Can't remember when I was in York (only the once), but we went to this eaterie where you got a huge "toad in the hole" that covered the large plate. Many people couldn't finish - I did! Then the waitress asked if we wanted a sweet. I did! The waitress was flabbergasted. She said she'd never known anybody to want a sweet after that big meal. So why did she ask, then, I thought to myself. :( Too old to manage such amounts now, and I restrict myself anyway.

National Railway Museum - not really my thing, tho I know some people on the forum will be enthusiasts. I'd probably be tempted to sneak the Orient Express out in a carrier bag and sell it on ebay. :D

Fine city, tho, York.
 

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Virgin Trains have an 'availability checker' - the scare quotes because it doesn't check actual availability, just usual loading.

Services are coded green-orange-red, but none of the Monday London-Newcastle services get beyond orange, which would fit my experience of the East Coast Main Line: outside of times of disruption, Mondays - Thursdays are never very busy. London-bound services are busy Friday afternoons and Saturday mornings, northwards services are busy on Sundays though these have significantly improved in recent years with extra services.
 

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Thanks for the info, and the checker, cuccir. That looks good. So I should have no problem, then. I'll have a look at the Virgin site after teatime and make my mind up about travel dates.
 

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Virgin Trains have an 'availability checker' - the scare quotes because it doesn't check actual availability, just usual loading.

Services are coded green-orange-red, but none of the Monday London-Newcastle services get beyond orange, which would fit my experience of the East Coast Main Line: outside of times of disruption, Mondays - Thursdays are never very busy. London-bound services are busy Friday afternoons and Saturday mornings, northwards services are busy on Sundays though these have significantly improved in recent years with extra services.



Actually on the new site it uses near real time info


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A full set of London Kings X to Newcastle fares is here.
A full set of South Croydon to Newcastle fares is here.

For the cheapest London Kings X to Newcastle Advance price of £20, there is no corresponding South Croydon - Newcastle fare. If the £20 fare is available, it's cheaper to pay for the South Croydon - St Pancras leg separately.

For other prices, the additional cost of a South Croydon - Newcastle Advance ticket over a London Kings X to Newcastle Advance ticket seems to vary from £3.50 to £6.00. It's best for bazink to check availability and prices of both tickets before deciding which is more suitable.
 

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Just make sure you get a seat reservation on your service to and from Newcastle and you should be fine. Advance tickets are best for lower prices.
 

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Thanks for all the help, members. I'd not travelled up since 2013, so it was useful to read about these "busy-ness" symbols and best prices to expect.

So, I'm all booked now:

Outward 5 Sep 2017: Kings X 12:30, arriving N/cle at 15:40

Return 13 Sep 2017: N/cle 10:26, arriving Kings X at 13:41


Nice price: £28 each way, so £56 + the South Croydon/Kings X fares. I'm taking my Oyster card and just Oystering it to and from Kings X. Will pick up my tickets from the machine at South Croydon tomorrow. :D

P.S. Yes, Advance tickets with seat reservations. Quiet coach, aisle, table.
 
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Thanks for all the help, members. I'd not travelled up since 2013, so it was useful to read about these "busy-ness" symbols and best prices to expect.

So, I'm all booked now:

Outward 5 Sep 2017: Kings X 12:30, arriving N/cle at 15:40

Return 13 Sep 2017: N/cle 10:26, arriving Kings X at 13:41


Nice price: £28 each way, so £56 + the South Croydon/Kings X fares. I'm taking my Oyster card and just Oystering it to and from Kings X. Will pick up my tickets from the machine at South Croydon tomorrow. :D

P.S. Yes, Advance tickets with seat reservations. Quiet coach, aisle, table.
If you've just booked through VTEC's website, mind when you get to South Croydon that you enter the 'Collection ref' shown in large type towards the top of the confirmation email, and not the 'Transaction reference' at the foot, or readily noted onscreen when you complete the booking. This feature of the operator's new website has been causing some difficulties over the past week or so, including for myself.
 

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If you've just booked through VTEC's website, mind when you get to South Croydon that you enter the 'Collection ref' shown in large type towards the top of the confirmation email

Yes, that's the one I've jotted down from the email. I'm just 3 minutes' walk from South Croydon station. It's useful info for anyone else reading, tho, if it's been causing problems.
 
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