Landslip between Falkirk and Perth

[yorkie]

Just announced on the Chieftain that there is a landslip between Falkirk and Perth. The Chieftain is going back to Edinburgh and will then go over the Forth Bridge and via Ladybank.

 

[michael769]

Landslip is between Stirling and Dunblane.

Scotrails Inverness, Aberdeen and Dunblane Services are all affected.

A lightning strike has also caused damage between Nairn and Elgin affecting services between Aberdeen and Inverness.

Not surprised Edinburgh has had a couple of hours of torrential downpours and Arthur's Seat got a few lightening strikes. Quite dramatic really.

 

[PaxVobiscum]

Arthur's Seat got a few lightening strikes.

Poor Arthur!

 

[michael769]

The Inverurie service has been delayed after a passenger took ill, and there seems to be some intermittent signalling issues at Dundee.

All in all not a good nigh for anyone wanting to head North.

 

[90019]

Not surprised Edinburgh has had a couple of hours of torrential downpours and Arthur's Seat got a few lightening strikes. Quite dramatic really.

The rain was falling faster than it could drain off the roads when I was out earlier on, and there are already quite a few flooded roads.

 

[marks87]

I'm glad I decided not to head to Hampden for Dundee's game there tonight...I'd have been dumped in Perth!

 

[Failed Unit]

Aparently the 1539 Aberdeen - Glasgow (arrive 1715 ish) is stuck in said landslide.

Yorkie, I guess you are on the train, did you get a lot of people join at Stirling to head to Perth via Edinburgh? I guess it would be fairly busy with all the other trains that haven't made it north.

 

[yorkie]

Yorkie, I guess you are on the train, did you get a lot of people join at Stirling to head to Perth via Edinburgh? I guess it would be fairly busy with all the other trains that haven't made it north.

No-one was able to board at Stirling, the train reversed at Falkirk Grahamston and went back to Edinburgh, reversed and then to Perth via Ladybank.

 

[route:oxford]

No-one was able to board at Stirling, the train reversed at Falkirk Grahamston and went back to Edinburgh, reversed and then to Perth via Ladybank.

Shame it could neither route via Alloa or go off at Winchburgh Junction.

Imagine both route knowledge and clearance would be an issue.

Anyone know where between Dunblane and Stirling? A considerable amount of work has been done recently on the section leading north to the Kippenross tunnel.

 

[michael769]

 

[route:oxford]

Is that looking North or South?

 

[Jock]

Further delays on highland line due land slip at Pitlochry area also.

 

[michael769]

Is that looking North or South?

No idea sorry!

Further delays on the highland line due to land slip at Pitlochry

That one has been cleared thanks to the rapid response team! Still some residual delays though.

The Dunblane one is expected to cause disruption for the rest of today.
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Land slip is half a mile North of Bridge of Allen

Work to reopen the line will continue throughout the night - it is hoped it will be open in time for start of services tomorrow.

Thanks to Network Rail for pics.

 

[Liam]

I'm glad I decided not to head to Hampden for Dundee's game there tonight...I'd have been dumped in Perth!

Bet your glad you never went at all after that result....

 

[marks87]

Bet your glad you never went at all after that result....

Wishing I was buried under that landslip just now, tbh.

 

[Butts]

No-one was able to board at Stirling, the train reversed at Falkirk Grahamston and went back to Edinburgh, reversed and then to Perth via Ladybank.

Trust me to miss the action on my home patch ..... I was on 1755 ex Northallerton arrived EDB early 2010.

Noticed they were saying "bus from Stirling to Dunblane" so that explains it. I got the Queen St service and walked down from FKK.

 

[Tav77]

I'm glad I decided not to head to Hampden for Dundee's game there tonight...I'd have been dumped in Perth!

and now dumped out by Queens Park. Ouch!

 

[Red Dragon]

Currently saying "Trains are now running normally between Perth and Inverness following a landslip near Pitlochry.."
Hope this is right as I'm on the Chieftain out of Inverness in the morning, with my usual split tickets !

23.26 now giving this for Scotrail services
Buses are replacing trains between Stirling and Perth, with journey times being extended by up to 60 minutes
Trains between Edinburgh /Glasgow Queen Street and Dunblane will not run between Stirling and Dunblane
Trains between Glasgow Queen Street and Aberdeen / Inverness will be diverted via Fife
Passengers from Gleneagles, Dunblane, Stirling or Falkirk Grahamston who are travelling on the Sleeper service will be provided with taxis to Edinburgh to meet the Sleeper there

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Currently saying "Trains are now running normally between Perth and Inverness following a landslip near Pitlochry.."
Hope this is right as I'm on the Chieftain out of Inverness in the morning, with my usual split tickets !

As michael769 has said above, the mess at Pitlochy was passable this evening, thanks to several NR personnel on the ground (or should I say, on the mud).
The Chieftan arrived into Inverness 2 hours late, and while it may be hoped that the bigger landslide further south (nr Bridge of Allan) may be opened again for the morning, even if not, there will be more opportunity to plan for a diversion via Ladybank should it be necessary, and need not introduce significant delays such as were incurred today (i.e. by reaching Falkirk before learning of the blockage and so deciding to return to Waverley

[I too will be on the morning Chieftan!]

 

[Red Dragon]

I'm going back to Ilkley 1st from Inverness to Glasgow with a split at Stirling so I could have breakfast on the Chieftain, and then Std from Glasgow to Ilkley. Not sure about the validity of the split at Stirling if there's no service at Stirling in the morning though.
See you on the Chieftain in the morning !

 

[yorkie]

Red Dragon - I am not sure I follow. What is your itinerary? Where would you alight from the Chieftain in your original plan?

 

[Red Dragon]

Hi Yorkie, I was originally leaving the Chieftain at Stirling and picking up the Scotrail at 10.43 to Glasgow Q St. Then crossing Glasgow and having lunch before going from Central to Carlisle and home via Settle
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Network Rail have now cleared the track so the split tickets problem has gone away - but there's something to be learnt from this episode about where tickets are split !

 

[crewmeal]

How are the sleepers doing? They really have had a bad time this 'summer' with all the delays and cancellations.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

How are the sleepers doing? They really have had a bad time this 'summer' with all the delays and cancellations.

Just passed the northbound Highland Sleeper at Tomatin, at 08:15

 

[yorkie]

but there's something to be learnt from this episode about where tickets are split !

I don't think there is!

Inverness - Glasgow is only permitted via Stirling, so splitting there makes no difference to the validity, in this particular case.

As for being allowed via Edinburgh, I don't think EC would have been a problem, but SR from Glasgow to Edinburgh might have been (irrespective of whether it was split or not)

 

[michael769]

As for being allowed via Edinburgh, I don't think EC would have been a problem, but SR from Glasgow to Edinburgh might have been (irrespective of whether it was split or not)

In my experience Scotrail guards and ticket examiners are pretty lenient in times of major disruption - generally if you ask up front and are not obviously taking the proverbial you can usually get permission to travel.

I have been allowed to use my Season between Edinburgh and West Calder to travel to Livingston North (my nearest station on an alternative route) on several occasions when the Shotts line has been disrupted.

 

[Blindtraveler]

have had this problem with the Stirling split, or rather my mate has. Again an EC Diversion at short notice, he was bustituted from Perth

 

[yorkie]

I have been allowed to use my Season between Edinburgh and West Calder to travel to Livingston North (my nearest station on an alternative route) on several occasions when the Shotts line has been disrupted.

There is a local easement allowing tickets to Livingston South to be valid at Livingston North (and vice-versa) at any time (not just during disruption) so I'd be surprised if a ticket that included that validity but also went beyond, to the next station, was not included!
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have had this problem with the Stirling split, or rather my mate has. Again an EC Diversion at short notice, he was bustituted from Perth

If the split was Inverness - Stirling, Stirling - Edinburgh, then it's clearly valid on the train when diverted to avoid Stirling, as it was originally booked via Stirling, and the passenger is travelling to a destination on that service without a need to change trains.

It becomes a rather different matter if the split is Inverness - Stirling, Stirling - Glasgow, as that really is a different kettle of fish altogether. In that case you'd be off the Chieftain by Stirling anyway so it would seem sensible to alight at Perth instead, rather than end up going in the opposite direction.

 

[michael769]

There is a local easement allowing tickets to Livingston South to be valid at Livingston North (and vice-versa) at any time (not just during disruption) so I'd be surprised if a ticket that included that validity but also went beyond, to the next station, was not included!

That's useful to know - but a little galling as I bought a return from Livi North on Tuesday. Scotrai's customer services told me no when I asked about this over a year ago :-x.

Do you know the easement number - I'd like to try and find out if the WCL ticket is indeed valid under it, and getting sense out of Scotrail can be a little hard sometimes.

 

[Blindtraveler]

customer care at SR Are not all that good on ticketing, the travel centre at EDB are maybe better for your enquirie.
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I think Red Dragons Split was Stirling Glasgow and as stated the valid way of doing this is indeed to take the RRB from Perth and have seen this don before