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There is a Leeds to Goole service at 1716 which is a 150 and 153. Then it runs back to Leeds. Then the 150 and 153 split the 150 does the 2030 Sheffield express and the 153 does 2105 to Knottingley. They might be a morning one to Leeds. I think it is a 142+144 they run empty to goole then they do a service back to Leeds. Happy
brompton rail
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Doncaster Council didn't want Goole to join the borough either. A shame really because then Doncaster would have been on the East Coast Main railway, on the A1 main road north/south, have an airport and a sea port! All four major travel means. But Goole was seen as a financial burden!
tbtc
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A slight increase in current provision?
D841 Roebuck
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As a Gooligan by ancestry (although not birth), I can confirm that we have a traditional affinity with Pontefract and Leeds, rather than Hull or (particularly) Doncaster. If merger into West Yorkshire had been on offer in the 1996 plebiscite, I suspect it would have won.
"East Yorkshire" is essentially Beverley, the Wolds and Holderness - none of which has any connection to or affinity with Goole.
"Selby" has been distrusted locally since the 12th century dispute between Selby Abbey and the Vicar of Adlingfleet.
Lincolnshire is a strange land on the far side of Axholme.
No, the only place for Goole is West Yorkshire, and if this means the redoubling and electrification of the railway to Knottingley then this is a price worth paying to reassert our history!
"East Yorkshire" is essentially Beverley, the Wolds and Holderness - none of which has any connection to or affinity with Goole.
"Selby" has been distrusted locally since the 12th century dispute between Selby Abbey and the Vicar of Adlingfleet.
Lincolnshire is a strange land on the far side of Axholme.
No, the only place for Goole is West Yorkshire, and if this means the redoubling and electrification of the railway to Knottingley then this is a price worth paying to reassert our history!
Ploughman
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However
Turn that around and ask "Does anybody want Goole?"
Turn that around and ask "Does anybody want Goole?"
D841 Roebuck
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Spoilsport. :cry:
Probably the only true solution is UDI for the Wapentake of Osgoldcross.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Indeed this is so. The Goole Shipping Company was founded in 1864 and traded as an autonomous entity until it was taken over in 1905 by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway. From Goole, services were operated to Amsterdam, Antwerp, Dunkirk, Ghent, Hamburg, Rotterdam, Vlissingen and Zeebrugge
Some people have a long memory. Time to let that one go I think!...
As a current resident of West Yorkshire, I'd happily welcome Goole back into the fold - particularly if the greater reach of WYPTE resulted in more favourable fares/split ticketing opportunities for Hull-wards journeys.
Goole station was built by the North Eastern Railway, in fact the pub across the road is still called 'The North Eastern' Presumably the L & Y must have had running powers into it? (the station, not the pub!)
And did the L & Y take over the port also or just the shipping company?
And did the L & Y take over the port also or just the shipping company?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Digging into my hard-copy archives, I came across some further information on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway and its involvement in Goole, if this is of help to you.
There was indeed a separate Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway station in Goole, which was situated alongside Railway Dock and was possessed of two platforms of 100 foot in length, adjacent to St John's Street. In 1881/1882, the docks were expanded and this station was closed down, with all the existing Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway passenger train services were diverted into the North Eastern Railway station in Boothferry Road.
Johnny Lewis
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ATEOTD = at the end of the day
Ploughman
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Thanks.
Not everyone is into Acronyms, Jargon, Text speak etc.
Not everyone is into Acronyms, Jargon, Text speak etc.
Interestingly when the last round of Unitary Authorities were created there were proposals for UAs to be applied to North Yorkshire. This left Selby rather out on a limb, and as I understand it East Riding of Yorkshire were very keen to absorb Selby District, so taking their area of responsibility even further from these traditional boundaries.
I'm struggling to find references but some of the options are mentioned here: http://www.lgcplus.com/lgc-news/reo...-prospect-of-boundary-changes/1248886.article
David Goddard
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Its another one of those lines that, as referred to earlier, has seen decline as a result of changes to the places people go, which are in a way not helped by changes to boundaries. Fewer people used it so the service was reduced, then again and again, to the point we have today where it lingers with a single service each way (lets face it the evening trip from Goole is only there to get the unit back to Leeds).
This has happened with several former through routes, which eventually closed. Take Colne - Skipton, March - Spalding for example.
This has happened with several former through routes, which eventually closed. Take Colne - Skipton, March - Spalding for example.
Another line, in the same area, that only gets a similar level of service from Northern to Leeds-Goole is Sheffield to York via Pontefract Baghill. This is probably another case where Northern just do not have the stock to run a more frequent service.
There have been threads in the past on here about that line and it probably deserves a thread of its own.
I used the 0929 from Shefield to York last Thursday and was surprised, even though it was only a single 153 unit, just how busy the train was on an off peak day like 27th December. If a 153 Unit can be almost full on an off peak day with level of service only twice daily, with no real opportunites to return by the same route or for commuting purposes, it does make you wonder how many would use a more regular service There were quite a few passengers on from Sheffield and significant numbers also got on at Meadowhall, Swinton, Sherburn in Elmet, Church Fenton and Ulleskelf. No-one got on at Rotherham or Moorthorpe and surprisingly only a couple of people got on at Pontefract Baghill.
I would have thought that there would be a reasonable market for journeys to and from Pontefract towards both York, Meadowhalll and Sheffield.
There have been threads in the past on here about that line and it probably deserves a thread of its own.
I used the 0929 from Shefield to York last Thursday and was surprised, even though it was only a single 153 unit, just how busy the train was on an off peak day like 27th December. If a 153 Unit can be almost full on an off peak day with level of service only twice daily, with no real opportunites to return by the same route or for commuting purposes, it does make you wonder how many would use a more regular service There were quite a few passengers on from Sheffield and significant numbers also got on at Meadowhall, Swinton, Sherburn in Elmet, Church Fenton and Ulleskelf. No-one got on at Rotherham or Moorthorpe and surprisingly only a couple of people got on at Pontefract Baghill.
I would have thought that there would be a reasonable market for journeys to and from Pontefract towards both York, Meadowhalll and Sheffield.
Goole appears as a destination served on the historic Glass and Iron canopy on the façade of Victoria Station in Manchester. It appears 4th from the end after 'London', 'Scotland' and 'Ireland'.
I suppose this shows how important a destination it was back in L&Y days.
Francis
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Ashworth writes "I used the 0929 from Shefield to York last Thursday and was surprised, even though it was only a single 153 unit, just how busy the train was on an off peak day like 27th December."
There was a £10 anywhere for the day offer on Northern trains only from 27th to 30th Dec so that may have swollen the numbers. I've been on that line twice in the last two years on Thursdays, and it was pretty lightly loaded. I was the only through passenger or maybe one of two, so far as I remember. Nice if you like a carriage to yourself most of the way. Going from Sheffield, most people got off in the Dearne Valley stops, while from York most people had got off at Church Fenton or by Pontefract.
There was a £10 anywhere for the day offer on Northern trains only from 27th to 30th Dec so that may have swollen the numbers. I've been on that line twice in the last two years on Thursdays, and it was pretty lightly loaded. I was the only through passenger or maybe one of two, so far as I remember. Nice if you like a carriage to yourself most of the way. Going from Sheffield, most people got off in the Dearne Valley stops, while from York most people had got off at Church Fenton or by Pontefract.
David Goddard
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Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway: Manchester * Leeds * Goole
Delboy Trotter: New York * Paris * Peckham
Xenophon PCDGS
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Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway: Manchester * Leeds * Goole
Delboy Trotter: New York * Paris * Peckham
A certain Mr John Aspinall of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway would be most unhappy to be bracketed together with Delboy Trotter
A certain Mr George Hudson is far better bracketed together with Delboy Trotter.
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