frodshamfella
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After chatting on here about the new Scottish services which is like to learn a bit more of , if it is 3 per day do they divide to serve Glasgow and Edinburgh or will it be 3 to each city ?
After chatting on here about the new Scottish services which is like to learn a bit more of , if it is 3 per day do they divide to serve Glasgow and Edinburgh or will it be 3 to each city ?
To each. Glasgow via the WCML, Edinburgh via the ECML. The latter won't be much use for Liverpool to Edinburgh, you'll be better off changing somewhere between Preston and Carlisle as preferred.
Ok I see...so 6 trains that's a big improvement all be it via a longer route via Newcastle, will it be much slower do you think ? It might be worth it with luggage not having bother of changing.
Ok thanks for the info. I would expect that there would be enough demand for a west coast route from Edinburgh to Liverpool too , hopefully might see this in the future .Glasgow Edinburgh and Liverpool are all immensely popular destinations to visit so it would I'm sure be popular.I'd think a fair whack slower, but yes some may still choose it for directness.
Ok thanks for the info. I would expect that there would be enough demand for a west coast route from Edinburgh to Liverpool too , hopefully might see this in the future .Glasgow Edinburgh and Liverpool are all immensely popular destinations to visit so it would I'm sure be popular.
I have experienced travelling back from Edinburgh on a Sunday afternoon and the trains are rammed.
The TPE track access application for the Liverpool-Glasgow 397s had a mixed pattern of some independent trains, and some combined with a Manchester service north of Preston.
Journey times were not spectacular, probably allowing for attach/divide at Preston.
I don't think ORR has approved anything specific yet.
I think I'd in the long term hope for an upgrade to hourly. What might be workable there would be to alternate from both directions using portion working, e.g. in odd hours it's Liverpool to Edinburgh and in even hours Manchester to Edinburgh, and vice versa for Glasgow, and run as a combined train between Preston and Carlisle so there are plenty of opportunities to swap units.
The Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh service is essentially pointless. From Leeds there are already Cross Country Services to Edinburgh, from Manchester there is already the Transpennine service. So Liverpool-Edinburgh passengers can either change at Wigan/Preston as they currently do, or stay on the same train but for significantly longer.
If they were to run both Liverpool/Manchester to Edinburgh/Glasgow on the WCML, it might be easier to 'flight' them together from Preston to Carstairs as they'd have similar stopping patterns, this would avoid the difficulties of coupling/decoupling. Though I doubt there is enough rolling stock to do this.
The Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh service is essentially pointless. From Leeds there are already Cross Country Services to Edinburgh, from Manchester there is already the Transpennine service. So Liverpool-Edinburgh passengers can either change at Wigan/Preston as they currently do, or stay on the same train but for significantly longer.
If they were to run both Liverpool/Manchester to Edinburgh/Glasgow on the WCML, it might be easier to 'flight' them together from Preston to Carstairs as they'd have similar stopping patterns, this would avoid the difficulties of coupling/decoupling. Though I doubt there is enough rolling stock to do this.
The Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh service is essentially pointless. From Leeds there are already Cross Country Services to Edinburgh, from Manchester there is already the Transpennine service. So Liverpool-Edinburgh passengers can either change at Wigan/Preston as they currently do, or stay on the same train but for significantly longer.
If they were to run both Liverpool/Manchester to Edinburgh/Glasgow on the WCML, it might be easier to 'flight' them together from Preston to Carstairs as they'd have similar stopping patterns, this would avoid the difficulties of coupling/decoupling. Though I doubt there is enough rolling stock to do this.
I would suggest that given XC's relatively short trains an additional service between Leeds and Edinburgh could be a good idea. It also provides a through service from Huddersfield, a town with a growing student population. The fact that a through service from Liverpool to Edinburgh will exist is just an operational convenience: it could just as easily start from Manchester Airport. Don't get too hung up about the start and finish points.
But do I understand this is an extended Liverpool to Newcastle service which will essentially just carry on to Edinburgh ? I don't think moving an established route from Liverpool to Manchester Airport would go down well, leave as as a city to city service.
But do I understand this is an extended Liverpool to Newcastle service which will essentially just carry on to Edinburgh ? I don't think moving an established route from Liverpool to Manchester Airport would go down well, leave as as a city to city service.
Not pointless from the perspective of Leeds. It provides a second hourly inter-city service to Newcastle and Edinburgh, so that if it were possible to integrate timetables properly there could be a genuine half-hourly service with the XC trains.The Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh service is essentially pointless. From Leeds there are already Cross Country Services to Edinburgh, from Manchester there is already the Transpennine service.
Not in the real world, but with some on this forum it would be cause for a 5 day street party
It has to end somewhere, and with TPE, that means Liverpool or Manchester Airport... and hopefully soon Chester too (albeit Calder).
Come on now, we’re doing so well without this boring drum being banged. This is instigation/baiting.
He wasnt suggesting they do just that it could start from anywhere and still go to Edinburgh
Sorry I thought we were talking about northbound services from Liverpool which are at last going to get a bit of improvement. Let's not through Manchester Airport into the mix which won't add anything to the problem.
Sorry I thought we were talking about northbound services from Liverpool which are at last going to get a bit of improvement. Let's not through Manchester Airport into the mix which won't add anything to the problem.
It is part of the context which has to be considered when we examine why most of the north of England has such poor public transport, as illustrated by the inevitable suggestions on here that every long distance service north of Wolverhampton should be diverted to it.
But returning to the specific topic:
The Edinburgh service seems pointless to me, except for Huddersfield dwellers with.a yen to visit Auld Reekie. Enhanced Cross-Country services would seem to me to do the same job better, but the government seems to have decided that Cross Country is to be a no-growth franchise. I sincerely hope that yhe Edinburgh extension will.not make Liverpool's TP.services even less reliable.
The Glasgow service is a different matter. From what I have observed of travel between the cities there will be a steady end-to-end market, and a decent amount of custom from the termini to the large towns at each end, if the trains run at sensible times and decent speeds. An alternative to Northern's painfully slow (even post-electrification) Liverpool-Preston service will be particularly welcome.
This Liverpool - Glasgow service. What are its planned intermediate stops? Particularly in Scotland. One of my mates lives in Motherwell and is regularly moaning about how hard it is to travel directly South from there, (another one lives near Lockerbie). Good be good opportunities for people around there for travel if they do stops there. .