Liverpool to Sheffield but then where

[sheff'd victoria]

I do kind of agree. However i still feel sheffield needs the rail link to cleethorpes.

Its got one via Gainsborough , problem is you can only travel on a Saturday

 

[Donny Dave]

I hope this clarification is of help...but PLEASE. don't come back in reply to say that you have uncovered a hitherto unknown holiday-seeking market of Scunthorpe residents having an over-riding need to have rail access to Manchester Airport in great numbers:roll:

(I have no figures at all for this post, it is all from personal experience as I do travel along the South TPE route (Scunthorpe - Manchester and Scunthorpe - Grimsby) a lot.)

In my reply to Matt, (who questioned if there was a market for passengers from Scunthorpe and Grimsby areas to Manchester Airport), I replied there was. I didn't suggest there was a huge market though, but there is definately a market ....

The main markets along the South TPE route are Cleethorpes, Grimsby, Barnetby and Scunthorpe to Doncaster or Sheffield, plus Scunthorpe, Doncaster and Sheffield to Manchester. (Mostly for connections onwards to other destinations)

There is a small market however for passengers all along the South TPE route to Manchester Airport. MIA is the airport of choice for these people, as there is a direct service every hour during the day to the Airport.

Would you say that the summer demand to go to Cleethorpes would be more Yorkshire-based than from the west side of the Pennines? Is it not possible to program in extra services at peak holiday times these days? Is stock availability the problem on that point?

Again I don't have any figures, but from my experiences along the route, there is a quite a few holiday makers from t'other side o' pennines. Admitedly, not many but from talking to people and overhearing loud coversations, Liverpool, the North West and North Wales are common destinations.

During the football season, there is a fair number of fans who do use the trains to get to/from Scunthorpe or Grimsby for the matches, despite neither station being that close to the grounds.

I'm not answering the question about stock deployment or availability, beyond saying using a 2 car 170 instead of a 3 car 185 during the Summer months is a stupid decision ....

 

[danfitz123]

I mentioned this is another thread but thought I'd start a new thread and allow people to vote on it.

Currently EMT run Liverpool-Sheffield-Norwich and TPE run Manchester Airport-Sheffield-Cleethorphes.

Should instead we have EMT running Manchester Airport-Sheffield-Norwich and TPE running Liverpool-Cleethorphes? I appreciate a change would mean TPE would have to adjust either the North or South TPE services for consistency and that TPE would need either the surplus 180s or some 170s cascaded to them to allow this.

First TPE manage manchester airport station, it would look a bit odd EMT turning up at TPE's main station. If there was a norwich service from manchester piccadilly it would help overcrowding on the liverpool-norwich.

 

[northwichcat]

First TPE manage manchester airport station, it would look a bit odd EMT turning up at TPE's main station.

Virgin manage Stockport station yet Northern, TPE, ATW, XC and EMT all go there.

Northern and ATW also use Manchester Airport station and in the future EMT may be running a Derby service from there anyway.

You could also argue that TPE managed Huddersfield is their main station (out of the ones they manage), where the hourly pattern is:
Arrivals from: Hull, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Scarborough, Liverpool, Manchester Airport x 2, Manchester Piccadilly Total= 8 per hour
Departures to: Hull, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Scarborough, Liverpool, Manchester Airport x 2, Manchester Piccadilly Total= 8 per hour

At Manchester Airport it's:
Arrivals from: Barrow or Scotland, Blackpool, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Cleethorphes Total= 5 per hour
Departures to: Barrow or Scotland, Blackpool, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Cleethorphes Total= 5 per hour

If you mean main TPE station overall then it's Manchester Piccadilly as all their services go there and the Hull ones and Liverpool-Scarborough don't go to the Airport.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

(I have no figures at all for this post, it is all from personal experience as I do travel along the South TPE route (Scunthorpe - Manchester and Scunthorpe - Grimsby) a lot.)

In my reply to Matt, (who questioned if there was a market for passengers from Scunthorpe and Grimsby areas to Manchester Airport), I replied there was. I didn't suggest there was a huge market though, but there is definately a market ....

The main markets along the South TPE route are Cleethorpes, Grimsby, Barnetby and Scunthorpe to Doncaster or Sheffield, plus Scunthorpe, Doncaster and Sheffield to Manchester. (Mostly for connections onwards to other destinations)

There is a small market however for passengers all along the South TPE route to Manchester Airport. MIA is the airport of choice for these people, as there is a direct service every hour during the day to the Airport.



Again I don't have any figures, but from my experiences along the route, there is a quite a few holiday makers from t'other side o' pennines. Admitedly, not many but from talking to people and overhearing loud coversations, Liverpool, the North West and North Wales are common destinations.

During the football season, there is a fair number of fans who do use the trains to get to/from Scunthorpe or Grimsby for the matches, despite neither station being that close to the grounds.

I'm not answering the question about stock deployment or availability, beyond saying using a 2 car 170 instead of a 3 car 185 during the Summer months is a stupid decision ....

David, I thank you for your most carefully thought out answers to my suppositions, especially the FINAL point that you have made. You give a very good account of feelings from your area, which is far removed from mine in geographical terms.

With regard to your football point, unfortunately Scunthorpe have now
accessed the same division as Oldham Athletic (whom I follow for my sins, as and when I can go). Their fans will now have to get their route planners out as Division 1 has some varied and interesting places to make rail travel to. Grimsby, in the Conference, have the most interesting away fixtures, due to the guaranteed access of clubs from the South of England.

 

[northwichcat]

In my reply to Matt, (who questioned if there was a market for passengers from Scunthorpe and Grimsby areas to Manchester Airport), I replied there was. I didn't suggest there was a huge market though, but there is definately a market

It's interesting that people are complaining to my suggestion of Scunthorphe and Grimsby losing their direct Airport service when literally no-one put in an official response complaining about the draft electrification RUS proposed Manchester Airport to Cleethorphes being split at Doncaster with the service west of Doncaster becoming an EMU. The proposal wasn't approved due to insufficient funds.

 

[tbtc]

It's interesting that people are complaining to my suggestion of Scunthorphe and Grimsby losing their direct Airport service when literally no-one put in an official response complaining about the draft electrification RUS proposed Manchester Airport to Cleethorphes being split at Doncaster with the service west of Doncaster becoming an EMU. The proposal wasn't approved due to insufficient funds.

When was this proposal?

 

[northwichcat]

When was this proposal?

Do you not remember the Draft electrification RUS that listed out all the possibilities for electrification which was up for consulation, which then got converted in to a real RUS with actual electrification plans e.g. Manchester-Liverpool and the GWML?

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...t=\RUS Documents\Route Utilisation Strategies

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Liverpool to Sheffield but then where.... was the name of this thread. Having seen this as part of a route to Norwich, I thought of this line section to be used as part of another direct route, not normally seen.

After the section from Liverpool to Sheffield, go via Doncaster, Selby, York, Darlington, Durham to Newcastle. This would give a relief trans-Pennine route and would serve areas of large population.

I am now waiting for all the posts explaining the difficulties at Selby

 

[northwichcat]

After the section from Liverpool to Sheffield, go via Doncaster, Selby, York, Darlington, Durham to Newcastle. This would give a relief trans-Pennine route and would serve areas of large population.

Manchester-Newcastle via Doncaster isn't a bad idea considering from Stockport to Newcastle it's usually quicker to go via Doncaster than via Leeds despite the longer connection time.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

With Lincoln seeming to be suffering from all sorts of poor connection problems, especially on Sundays, could not Class 185 services from Liverpool and/or Manchester serve this region as a terminal route or as part of an onward route?

It has the University and the cathedral would surely be a visitor attraction.