LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

[800001]

I did happen to spot 91111 on the rear passing through Leeds earlier. First Class at the front/county end, so not sure if it's being pressed into service expediently or if it will be turned somewhere.

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Should be back in service tomorrow. But every Wednesday at the moment is a staff refresher move to/from Peterborough.

 

[HST43257]

Should be back in service tomorrow. But every Wednesday at the moment is a staff refresher move to/from Peterborough.

Could we see different 91s on these, say, next week (ahead of 7th June)

 

[800001]

Could we see different 91s on these, say, next week (ahead of 7th June)

Anything is possible, all depends if the locos would be ready

 

[Harvey B]

Apparently, LNER has said the the 800's might be out of action for a good while. So the 91's could be in action for a good few weeks

 

[Ianno87]

Apparently, LNER has said the the 800's might be out of action for a good while. So the 91's could be in action for a good few weeks

Which probably takes them to the point where they were planned to be reintroduced anyway.

 

[800001]

Apparently, LNER has said the the 800's might be out of action for a good while. So the 91's could be in action for a good few weeks

Contradicts what staff have been told, which is the Azumas could be starting to return to traffic from this weekend, with the return to there covid timetable from Monday.

Also to note, the second mk4 set will not be in service Thursday as it is not yet ready.

 

[DanNCL]

Is there any update on if the second set will be ready for tomorrow?

 

[43 302]

Is there any update on if the second set will be ready for tomorrow?

Likely tomorrow but with 91114. 91119 is on the turning move.

 

[DanNCL]

Likely tomorrow but with 91114. 91119 is on the turning move.

That’s great, thanks. Fingers crossed nothing changes between now and the morning to prevent that from happening!

 

[800001]

That’s great, thanks. Fingers crossed nothing changes between now and the morning to prevent that from happening!

Tomorrows mk4s


91119 tomorrow 5Z40 0941 Neville Hill to Doncaster via Newcastle to turn set.
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Tomorrows Diagrams
91114 NL13 in reverse formation
1A09, 1D09, 1A30, 1D20, 1A46, 1D33

91110 NL26
1A13, 1D10, 1A31, 1D22,

 

[43096]

Tomorrows mk4s


91119 tomorrow 5Z40 0941 Neville Hill to Doncaster via Newcastle to turn set.
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Tomorrows Diagrams
91114 NL13 in reverse formation
1A09, 1D09, 1A30, 1D20, 1A46, 1D33

91110 NL26
1A13, 1D10, 1A31, 1D22,

Fine effort to get them out three weeks earlier than planned.

Are they likely to be out at the weekend now that the 80x fleet is returning?

 

[DanNCL]

Tomorrows mk4s


91119 tomorrow 5Z40 0941 Neville Hill to Doncaster via Newcastle to turn set.
.
Tomorrows Diagrams
91114 NL13 in reverse formation
1A09, 1D09, 1A30, 1D20, 1A46, 1D33

91110 NL26
1A13, 1D10, 1A31, 1D22,

Ah, not the second diagram I had been expecting then, I’m sure the list I’d seen the other day suggested a York - Peterborough diagram. Never mind, I can work around these diagrams!

Your posts here are incredibly useful, thanks!

 

[800001]

Ah, not the second diagram I had been expecting then, I’m sure the list I’d seen the other day suggested a York - Peterborough diagram. Never mind, I can work around these diagrams!

Your posts here are incredibly useful, thanks!

The plan originally was York - Peterboroughs, however if the train needed tanking then there was no where to do it during the day, so it has been amended to a King Cross diagram.

 

[43094]

Today:

91106 1A09 1D09 1A30 1D20 1A46 1D33 (set in reverse)
91110 1A13 1D10 1A31 1D22

 

[Swimbar]

Tomorrows mk4s


91119 tomorrow 5Z40 0941 Neville Hill to Doncaster via Newcastle to turn set.
.
Tomorrows Diagrams
91114 NL13 in reverse formation
1A09, 1D09, 1A30, 1D20, 1A46, 1D33

91110 NL26
1A13, 1D10, 1A31, 1D22,

Is there a reason why they cannot use the Shipley Triangle for turning sets?
91's already use two sides of the triangle, is there an issue with clearance on the third side?

 

[59CosG95]

Is there a reason why they cannot use the Shipley Triangle for turning sets?
91's already use two sides of the triangle, is there an issue with clearance on the third side?

Most likely pathing. The coaches can squeeze through the curve theoretically (they're shorter than a 333's coaches), but a full 2+9 set would probably occupy the points at both ends, which makes turning a 225 set during timetabled service untenable.

 

[HST43257]

What DVT is 91106 with?

 

[43094]

Not cleared for the third side of the triangle.

91106/82213.

 

[Ianno87]

Most likely pathing. The coaches can squeeze through the curve theoretically (they're shorter than a 333's coaches), but a full 2+9 set would probably occupy the points at both ends, which makes turning a 225 set during timetabled service untenable.

Could run all the way to Skipton and then back to Forster Square. Bit the issue might be if LNER drivers don't sign all 3 sides of the triangle.

 

[Southern Dvr]

Could run all the way to Skipton and then back to Forster Square. Bit the issue might be if LNER drivers don't sign all 3 sides of the triangle.

The Skipton to Bradford curve is very very tight if I recall and I very much doubt Mk 3 or Mk 4 stock would be cleared for it.

 

[DanNCL]

I assume 91111 has a fault seeing as it’s been swapped off after Wednesday’s test run?

 

[skyhigh]

The Skipton to Bradford curve is very very tight if I recall and I very much doubt Mk 3 or Mk 4 stock would be cleared for it.

It is tight, and indeed Mk4 stock isn't currently cleared for it.

 

[800001]

I assume 91111 has a fault seeing as it’s been swapped off after Wednesday’s test run?

Issue Panning up, so a late notice swap

 

[DanNCL]

Any idea what’s happened with 91110 on 1D22? Appears to have terminated at Grantham, now running ECS to Doncaster, and seemingly set to resume the service from Doncaster.

 

[800001]

Any idea what’s happened with 91110 on 1D22? Appears to have terminated at Grantham, now running ECS to Doncaster, and seemingly set to resume the service from Doncaster.

Operational incident

Any idea what’s happened with 91110 on 1D22? Appears to have terminated at Grantham, now running ECS to Doncaster, and seemingly set to resume the service from Doncaster.

Restarted as 1F22 from Doncaster

 

[DanNCL]

Operational incident


Restarted as 1F22 from Doncaster

I’m a bit confused by this, as normally an operational incident would cancel the remainder of the trip entirely, which doesn’t appear to have happened here? Or am I misunderstanding?

 

[800001]

I’m a bit confused by this, as normally an operational incident would cancel the remainder of the trip entirely, which doesn’t appear to have happened here? Or am I misunderstanding?

All depends on nature of the incident, who was involved etc, also may of authorised to move forward to a certain place to be relieved by a fresh crew.

 

[DanNCL]

All depends on nature of the incident, who was involved etc, also may of authorised to move forward to a certain place to be relieved by a fresh crew.

Fair enough, I’m not clued up on operational incidents, I just assumed they usually were something that caused no end of chaos!

I’m not complaining cause it means I’ve got a carriage to myself

 

[XCTurbostar]

Any 91s likely to be out tomorrow?

 

[800001]

Any 91s likely to be out tomorrow?

Yes, one set