LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

[800001]

LNER must be notified by the retailers when a ticket is sold so that no-one reserves the same seat twice. In the interests of customer service you would think that they could work out a way of reissuing reservations and notifying everyone!

The retailers won't share the email address of the customer, that is the issue

 

[jaketaylor]

Hi all was chatting to someone this afternoon who said 91111 made it to Newcastle this morning? Just wondering if there is any truth in it or if it’s just platform wibble!

thanks

 

[43 302]

Hi all was chatting to someone this afternoon who said 91111 made it to Newcastle this morning? Just wondering if there is any truth in it or if it’s just platform wibble!

thanks

I don't think that one is even out today! Just 10, 19 & 27 I thought.

 

[jaketaylor]

I don't think that one is even out today! Just 10, 19 & 27 I thought.

Thanks! I didn’t think there was any truth in it. Maybe one day we might be lucky up here and get them again but I highly doubt it lol

 

[DanNCL]

Hi all was chatting to someone this afternoon who said 91111 made it to Newcastle this morning? Just wondering if there is any truth in it or if it’s just platform wibble!

thanks

I don't think that one is even out today! Just 10, 19 & 27 I thought.

91111 isn’t out today.

91119 did however make it to York during the day, which these days is quite uncommon as they’re usually only found on the first southbound/last northbound to York.

Thanks! I didn’t think there was any truth in it. Maybe one day we might be lucky up here and get them again but I highly doubt it lol

It would be nice!

 

[Swimbar]

91111 isn’t out today.

91119 did however make it to York during the day, which these days is quite uncommon as they’re usually only found on the first southbound/last northbound to York.


It would be nice!

Happens at the moment on a Saturday, presumably while the Carlisle diversions are on

 

[Helvellyn]

LNER must be notified by the retailers when a ticket is sold so that no-one reserves the same seat twice. In the interests of customer service you would think that they could work out a way of reissuing reservations and notifying everyone!

No, it's RARS (Rail Availability and Reservation System) that is notified of all bookings. As others have said, not all retailers submit customer contact details to this. There are plans to improve communication when reservations change, and it happens for some scenarios now, but you need to book with LNER so they have your details.

 

[yorksrob]

Well, last time I got the train oop North, I booked on the 21:30, thinking it would be a mk 4. "No, its a Sunday, the earlier train is the mk 4"

Book on this time on the earlier train and guess what. A sodding Azuma, sat on a plank for 2+hours.

There are times when it's hard to like the railway.

 

[DanNCL]

Well, last time I got the train oop North, I booked on the 21:30, thinking it would be a mk 4. "No, its a Sunday, the earlier train is the mk 4"

Book on this time on the earlier train and guess what. A sodding Azuma, sat on a plank for 2+hours.

There are times when it's hard to like the railway.

A case of incredibly poor luck unfortunately as it was booked to be a Mark 4 set this evening. 91119+set had to return to Neville Hill early this afternoon, leading to 91127 on the diagram behind (which was supposed to work the 21:05 from Kings Cross this evening) being stepped forward to cover for 91119, and the remainder of 91127s own diagram being covered by a pair of 80xs.

I seem to have the same luck myself these days with set swaps, it's incredibly frustrating for us enthusiasts when they happen, though of course I fully understand why the majority of them are needed!

 

[yorksrob]

A case of incredibly poor luck unfortunately as it was booked to be a Mark 4 set this evening. 91119+set had to return to Neville Hill early this afternoon, leading to 91127 on the diagram behind (which was supposed to work the 21:05 from Kings Cross this evening) being stepped forward to cover for 91119, and the remainder of 91127s own diagram being covered by a pair of 80xs.

I seem to have the same luck myself these days with set swaps, it's incredibly frustrating for us enthusiasts when they happen, though of course I fully understand why the majority of them are needed!

I suppose at least we're not forced to sit in teetotal silence in face masks, so there are some small mercies.

 

[800001]

A case of incredibly poor luck unfortunately as it was booked to be a Mark 4 set this evening. 91119+set had to return to Neville Hill early this afternoon, leading to 91127 on the diagram behind (which was supposed to work the 21:05 from Kings Cross this evening) being stepped forward to cover for 91119, and the remainder of 91127s own diagram being covered by a pair of 80xs.

I seem to have the same luck myself these days with set swaps, it's incredibly frustrating for us enthusiasts when they happen, though of course I fully understand why the majority of them are needed!

91119 chipped pantograph again.

 

[DanNCL]

91119 chipped pantograph again.

Suspected it would be. Surprised there's not a shortage of pantograph heads given how many of them have been needed over the last couple of months!

I'm surprised the cause of all these chipped pantographs (assuming it is just one issue causing all of them, which it may not be) hasn't been found yet, given that there will be loads of pantograph camera footage from the 80x fleets now, as well as the recordings from MENTOR's trip over the southern half of the ECML a couple of weeks ago.

 

[800001]

91101 being moved tonight on a skate from Neville Hill to Doncaster wabtec, after suffering a seized axle at Wakefield last week. 67 thunderbird from Doncaster doing the move

Realtime Trains - 006I 2356 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Doncaster West Yard

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Suspected it would be. Surprised there's not a shortage of pantograph heads given how many of them have been needed over the last couple of months!

I'm surprised the cause of all these chipped pantographs (assuming it is just one issue causing all of them, which it may not be) hasn't been found yet, given that there will be loads of pantograph camera footage from the 80x fleets now, as well as the recordings from MENTOR's trip over the southern half of the ECML a couple of weeks ago.

Are any IETs getting the chipped pantographs or is it just the 91s?

If it's just the 91s, wouldn't that indicate an issue with some feature that might be unique to the 91s? If it's the IETs as well, then it's obviously something out there on one of the lines.

 

[DanNCL]

Are any IETs getting the chipped pantographs or is it just the 91s?

If it's just the 91s, wouldn't that indicate an issue with some feature that might be unique to the 91s? If it's the IETs as well, then it's obviously something out there on one of the lines.

It’s both fleets, but doesn’t usually require the 80xs to be pulled from service when chips are discovered as normally the other pantograph can still be used.

 

[800001]

Are any IETs getting the chipped pantographs or is it just the 91s?

If it's just the 91s, wouldn't that indicate an issue with some feature that might be unique to the 91s? If it's the IETs as well, then it's obviously something out there on one of the lines.

IETs as well, it was thought to of been narrowed down to a section of overheads between Leeds Station and Leeds West Junction, that may if been found and could now be somewhere else.

 

[skyhigh]

IETs as well, it was thought to of been narrowed down to a section of overheads between Leeds Station and Leeds West Junction, that may if been found and could now be somewhere else.

You'd have thought 331s and 333s would have been similarly affected if that was the case

 

[GC class B1]

Suspected it would be. Surprised there's not a shortage of pantograph heads given how many of them have been needed over the last couple of months!

I'm surprised the cause of all these chipped pantographs (assuming it is just one issue causing all of them, which it may not be) hasn't been found yet, given that there will be loads of pantograph camera footage from the 80x fleets now, as well as the recordings from MENTOR's trip over the southern half of the ECML a couple of weeks ago.

My understanding is that the pantograph carbons become chipped and not the pantograph head . Carbons can be renewed as they are consumables.

 

[800001]

You'd have thought 331s and 333s would have been similarly affected if that was the case

You would think so

 

[DanNCL]

Two 91s pulled from service today, with 91110 and 91127 both failing to complete their diagrams, and the latter being dragged back to Neville Hill with yet another chipped pantograph by a 67.

 

[skyhigh]

Two 91s pulled from service today, with 91110 and 91127 both failing to complete their diagrams, and the latter being dragged back to Neville Hill with yet another chipped pantograph by a 67.

I think you'll find it was actually 3 91s today...

 

[DanNCL]

I think you'll find it was actually 3 91s today...

No, just two. It was thought earlier that a third (91105) may have needed to return to Neville Hill but it has remained in service.

 

[Pep and co]

Is the chipped pantograph relatively a new thing or something that can be tracked back over a number of years.

 

[DanNCL]

Is the chipped pantograph relatively a new thing or something that can be tracked back over a number of years.

New over the last month or so. It's an infrastructure issue that's also affecting the 80x fleet, although the second pantograph on an 80x usually allows those to continue the diagram unlike the 91s which have to be pulled from service when the chips are discovered.

 

[jaketaylor]

91101 being moved tonight on a skate from Neville Hill to Doncaster wabtec, after suffering a seized axle at Wakefield last week. 67 thunderbird from Doncaster doing the move

Realtime Trains - 006I 2356 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Doncaster West Yard

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I’d heard it got hauled to Wabtec. I’d also heard apparently it’s now going to be withdrawn! Does anyone else know about this?

thanks!

 

[800001]

I’d heard it got hauled to Wabtec. I’d also heard apparently it’s now going to be withdrawn! Does anyone else know about this?

thanks!

New over the last month or so. It's an infrastructure issue that's also affecting the 80x fleet, although the second pantograph on an 80x usually allows those to continue the diagram unlike the 91s which have to be pulled from service when the chips are discovered.

2 Mk4 diagrams pulled today due to Pan damage.

I’d heard it got hauled to Wabtec. I’d also heard apparently it’s now going to be withdrawn! Does anyone else know about this?

thanks!

Its not been hauled there yet, still at Neville Hill, and will be repaired.

 

[skyhigh]

No, just two. It was thought earlier that a third (91105) may have needed to return to Neville Hill but it has remained in service.

Sorry you're right, misread the page I had in front of me!

 

[DanNCL]

I’d heard it got hauled to Wabtec. I’d also heard apparently it’s now going to be withdrawn! Does anyone else know about this?

thanks!

Its not been hauled there yet, still at Neville Hill, and will be repaired.

I think someone took the "Flying Scrapman" comment on the 225 group on Facebook a bit too seriously...

 

[GC class B1]

New over the last month or so. It's an infrastructure issue that's also affecting the 80x fleet, although the second pantograph on an 80x usually allows those to continue the diagram unlike the 91s which have to be pulled from service when the chips are discovered.

As I mentioned in my earlier post I would be surprised if the pan head was being damaged on a regular basis. The pan head has carbon elements which contact the wire and these are the wearing parts. Minor OHL defects may cause the carbons to become chipped. In the event of more significant damage e.g. loss of a carbon, the pantograph will lower automatically to prevent damage to the OHL and/or the pantograph

 

[800001]

As I mentioned in my earlier post I would be surprised if the pan head was being damaged on a regular basis. The pan head has carbon elements which contact the wire and these are the wearing parts. Minor OHL defects may cause the carbons to become chipped. In the event of more significant damage e.g. loss of a carbon, the pantograph will lower automatically to prevent damage to the OHL and/or the pantograph

I think when most people describe damage to the pan, most people are savvy enough to know that it will be the carbon strip.

But is far easier for people who may not understand, if it is simply described as the pantograph.