LNER to hire DB Cargo Class 90 - now 2x 90s

[96tommy]

Was 22L on arrival at Newcastle and now 18 down by York on the return stretch. Is there any TSR's in place today (or any other disruption for that matter) or is it just through the reduced speed with the 90 working?

 

[91103eastcoast]

Was 22L on arrival at Newcastle and now 18 down by York on the return stretch. Is there any TSR's in place today (or any other disruption for that matter) or is it just through the reduced speed with the 90 working?

When I was on it between Doncaster and York earlier the guard said there had been a points failure, but I have no idea for the return run.

 

[The Rattler]

If it is still on 1D23 it has a smashed widescreen according to the guard on my train the 1730 from Kings Cross. 1D23 terminating a Pottars Bar

 

[bb21]

If it is still on 1D23 it has a smashed widescreen according to the guard on my train the 1730 from Kings Cross. 1D23 terminating a Pottars Bar

Yes. 1D23 pined at Potters Bar.

1A49 (1916 ex-Leeds) now caped. Stock to form 1A50 (1945 ex-Leeds) instead.
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how come it is turning at Newcastle?

It isn't for turning.

It's a WTT schedule, presumably for route-retention purposes.

There is no other booked working traversing the King Edwards East - High Level Bridge section. (On weekdays at least. Haven't checked weekends.)

 

[The Rattler]

Wouldn't it have to be have turned regardless due to the formation it was running in? When it went through Peterborough heading north this morning the 90 was on the front, coupled to the DVT with the class 91 on the back. Could it in theory been driven back from the class 91 with the class 90 providing the power?

 

[ainsworth74]

As far as I'm aware that wouldn't be possible. What I want to know is could you have a 90 and a 91 work in multiple

 

[captainbigun]

As far as I'm aware that wouldn't be possible. What I want to know is could you have a 90 and a 91 work in multiple

Yes, no problem through TDM, however current draw of both locos would be an issue.

 

[wensley]

1N08 entered Newcastle via the HLB to correct the set and put 90/DVT back to the South end after issues yesterday, allowing the DVT to be swapped out at Bounds Green tonight.

Regarding multi-working lead loco was pan up, trailing loco pan down as dead load.

1D23 suffered windscreen damage to 91106 (North Facing) and was top 'n' tailed from Potters Bar onto Bounds Green via the South End. As we speak 90 and DVT are being chopped off and a fresh DVT added.

Current plan is for the loco to be traction training tomorrow, next passenger work not likely for a day or two. Subject to the usual!

 

[sprinterguy]

As far as I'm aware that wouldn't be possible.

Why ever not? I'm pretty sure I recall seeing some years ago a formation of DVT - Train - 91 (DIT) - 91 (Propelling), and TDM had no problem coping with a formation of DVT - Train - DVT - Loco during testing (See here http://www.traintesting.com/images/Mk3 DVTs Stafford 1989.jpg), so I see no reason why a 'dead' 91 could not act as a surrogate DVT to control a loco powering at the rear.

Although in the case of yesterday's specific workings, I've seen a note that says that the DVT was non-TDM, hence the need for it to be swapped out at Bounds Green at the end of the day and why the 90 came along for the ride on the rear of 1D23 when the 91 was powering. TDM failure on the DVT would also explain why the set had been turned to have the class 91 on the south end in the first place.
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Was 22L on arrival at Newcastle and now 18 down by York on the return stretch. Is there any TSR's in place today (or any other disruption for that matter) or is it just through the reduced speed with the 90 working?

There were a few issues which caused delay to 1N08 and 1Y32 yesterday, it certainly wasn't all down to the performance characteristics of the 90.

 

[ainsworth74]

Yes, no problem through TDM, however current draw of both locos would be an issue.

Pshh a minor detail!

Why ever not? I'm pretty sure I recall seeing some years ago a formation of DVT - Train - 91 (DIT) - 91 (Propelling), and TDM had no problem coping with a formation of DVT - Train - DVT - Loco during testing (See here http://www.traintesting.com/images/Mk3 DVTs Stafford 1989.jpg), so I see no reason why a 'dead' 91 could not act as a surrogate DVT to control a loco powering at the rear.

Fair enough but I was rather under the impression that if you took power in the 'dead' 91 it would try and take power there as well as in the 'live' 91 which coudl, depending on the issue with the 'dead' 91, cause problems? I am far from an expert on TDM and its vagaries however!

 

[sprinterguy]

Fair enough but I was rather under the impression that if you took power in the 'dead' 91 it would try and take power there as well as in the 'live' 91 which coudl, depending on the issue with the 'dead' 91, cause problems? I am far from an expert on TDM and its vagaries however!

I'm certainly nae engineer and also just speculating, but I wouldn't have thought that a 91 with pan down would do anything untoward: Remember that it was possible with the surrogate DVT/HST formations in the early days of class 91 operation to control the class 91 at the rear from the HST power car, with the engine remaining on tickover to provide train supply to the mark 3s, without the HST power car also taking power (subsequently amended so that the power car did take power simultaneously with the class 91 due to this mode of operation causing damage to the traction motors).

 

[wensley]

90029 currently working 5N80 Bounds Green - Kings Cross, will then work:

1N80 0708 Kings Cross - York
1Y82 1003 York - Kings Cross

As it stands no trip in for this afternoon.

 

[Suraggu]

As it currently standa 90029 is back out in traffic again.
Currently allocated...

1D03 0705 KGX -LDS
1A20 0945 LDS -KGX
1D15 1305 KGX -LDS
1A39 1545 LDS -KGX
ECS to Bounds Green

 

[wensley]

As it currently standa 90029 is back out in traffic again.
Currently allocated...

1D03 0705 KGX -LDS
1A20 0945 LDS -KGX
1D15 1305 KGX -LDS
1A39 1545 LDS -KGX
ECS to Bounds Green

Beat me to it!

 

[DarloRich]

90029 currently working 5N80 Bounds Green - Kings Cross, will then work:

1N80 0708 Kings Cross - York
1Y82 1003 York - Kings Cross

As it stands no trip in for this afternoon.

Had a nice trip on this yesterday from Doncaster to Peterbrough. No discernible issues although 2 late at Peterborough

 

[wensley]

Loco not planned to be in traffic tomorrow.

 

[Failed Unit]

Is it still dragging the 91 around in the set or was that just last week?

 

[wensley]

Is it still dragging the 91 around in the set or was that just last week?

That was for one day only due to a failed headlight on 82216.

 

[alexl92]

Believe it worked up to Leeds this morning.

 

[wensley]

Believe it worked up to Leeds this morning.

And I know it didn't...
Only working was 0Z90 1115 Bounds Green - Langley Jn - Bounds Green.

 

[alexl92]

And I know it didn't...
Only working was 0Z90 1115 Bounds Green - Langley Jn - Bounds Green.

Oh, apologies. Someone had posted a picture of it at Leeds, must have been from a previous day.

 

[flyingbanana]

Did it go anywhere today?

Cheers

 

[wensley]

Did it go anywhere today?

Cheers

Nope. Might get a spin on 0Z90 again tomorrow.

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90029 to today (06/11) work:
5D11 0941 Bounds Green - Kings X 0957
1D11 1056 Kings X - Leeds 1354 (via Hertford Loop)
1A34 1405 Leeds - Kings X 1641 (via Hertford Loop)
1D24 1715 Kings X - Leeds 1949 (via Hertford Loop)
1A52 2045 Leeds - Kings X 2324 (via Hertford Loop)
Then ECS to Bounds Green

Provisionally to work the following tomorrow (07/11):
ECS from Bounds Green
1D05 0806 Kings X - Leeds 1014
1A25 1045 Leeds - Kings X 1258
1D17 1405 Kings X - Leeds 1614
1A41 1645 Leeds - Kings X 1900
5Y18 1907 Kings X - Bounds Green 2033 (via Ferme Park)

 

[45rpm]

Provisionally to work the following tomorrow (07/11):
ECS from Bounds Green
1D05 0806 Kings X - Leeds 1014
1A25 1045 Leeds - Kings X 1258
1D17 1405 Kings X - Leeds 1614
1A41 1645 Leeds - Kings X 1900
5Y18 1907 Kings X - Bounds Green 2033 (via Ferme Park)[/QUOTE]

Can anyone confirm whether it is on this diagram today,please?

 

[Suraggu]

Todays workings subject to usual T&C....

1N80 0708 Kings Cross to York
1Y82 1003 York to Kings Cross
1D15 1305 Kings Cross to Leeds
1A39 1545 Leeds to Kings Cross
5Y18 1907 Kings Cross to Bounds Green

 

[wensley]

Loco will also be in traffic tomorrow (09/11). Workings TBC.

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To provisionally work (09/11): Stabled KX / 1D02 / 1A19 / 1B84 / 1B85 / 1B88 / 1B89 / 5Y18

 

[96tommy]

Is it in traffic today?
Thank You

 

[wensley]

Is it in traffic today?
Thank You

Yes, working as above.

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90029 to work the following tomorrow (10/11), subject to the usual:

5N80 Bounds Green to Kings Cross
1D03 Kings Cross to Leeds
1A20 Leeds to Kings Cross
1B84 Kings Cross to Newark North Gate
1B85 Newark North Gate to Kings Cross
1B88 Kings Cross to Newark North Gate
1B89 Newark North Gate to Kings Cross
5Y44 Kings Cross to Bounds Green via Ferme Park

 

[Suraggu]

Amended workings for 90029

1B84 Kings Cross to Newark North Gate
1B85 Newark North Gate to Kings Cross
1B88 Kings Cross to Newark North Gate
1B89 Newark North Gate to Kings Cross
5Y44 Kings Cross to Bounds Green via Ferme Park

 

[dave87016]

Thursday 10th November

90029 was booked to work

1D03 Kings X - Leeds
1A20 Leeds - Kings X

but according to the website both were cancelled due to train fault