LNER to London Liverpool Street

[mildertduck]

Hi all,

Was the LNER service 5Z12 into London Liverpool Street last night that's showing on RTT a genuine service, or an anomaly? If so, was this just routine route learning or is there a planned diversion that way at some point soonish?

 

[800001]

Hi all,

Was the LNER service 5Z12 into London Liverpool Street last night that's showing on RTT a genuine service, or an anomaly? If so, was this just routine route learning or is there a planned diversion that way at some point soonish?

Genuine test train/route proving for potential future diversions when the route is closed south of Hitchin.

800201 was the unit.

 

[Whistler40145]

Genuine test train/route proving.

Possible alternative for emergencies or diversions?

 

[zwk500]

Possible alternative for emergencies or diversions?

Engineering diversions only, AIUI.

 

[Sad Sprinter]

Of course, the ECML could have started from Liverpool Street, if the original Great Northern Railway route via Cambridge, Lincoln and Goole had been authorised.

 

[dk1]

I recall Hull Trains using Liverpool Street for diversions in the early days. Made easier by their drivers being based there and just needing route conductors Peterborough via Ely to Hackney.

 

[80073]

I can recall being amazed to see an HST at Liverpool Street around 5pm one weekday afternoon in the mid 1980s. Does anyone else remember this? Unfortunately I can't find my notes of this surprise sighting.

 

[greyman42]

Hi all,

Was the LNER service 5Z12 into London Liverpool Street last night that's showing on RTT a genuine service, or an anomaly? If so, was this just routine route learning or is there a planned diversion that way at some point soonish?

What time was this, i cannot find it?

 

[rg177]

That'd be a little 'friendlier' than kicking everyone out at St Neots for buses to Bedford. Plus, I can't imagine it'd be anything more than 1tph (as is usually the case with Cambridge diversions), with everything else (i.e Leeds and ECML semi-fasts) needing a change at Peterborough.

 

[Trainguy34]

What time was this, i cannot find it?

Just past midnight this morning I think

 

[rg177]

What time was this, i cannot find it?

Here you go: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N31112/2023-07-14/detailed#allox_id=0

 

[greyman42]

Here you go: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N31112/2023-07-14/detailed#allox_id=0

Thanks.

 

[357]

I did wonder if those class 47 services from Peterborough earlier in the year would lead to this train of thought

 

[dk1]

It’s a very long way round but obviously beats transferring to buses for a lengthy detour to the MML. Only problem with using the WAML is when Stansted Express is running its full 15min frequency as is gradually being restored paths are few & far between on what can be quite a bottleneck now.

 

[JonathanH]

I did wonder if those class 47 services from Peterborough earlier in the year would lead to this train of thought

Those went via Ely though. The test only appears to have been between Finsbury Park and Liverpool Street.

 

[dk1]

Those went via Ely though. The test only appears to have been between Finsbury Park and Liverpool Street.

I think that’s just to test out Liverpool Street Station.

 

[Basil Jet]

Here you go: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N31112/2023-07-14/detailed#allox_id=0

Is there a reason they went via Stratford instead of using the Graham Road Curve?

 

[800001]

I did wonder if those class 47 services from Peterborough earlier in the year would lead to this train of thought

It’s been an aspiration for about 2 years to get an Azuma into Liverpool Street, but Covid and other issues prevented it.

The 47s were purely a NWR event, as both West and East coast lines were shut for engineering, the trains were purely a way for them to say they kept a route open.

Those went via Ely though. The test only appears to have been between Finsbury Park and Liverpool Street.

The testing was purely at Liverpool Street, the unit came ecs of Bounds Green, then it became a Finsbury Park to Liverpool Street.
It was checking platform height and distance from train at the station.

 

[Whistler40145]

It’s been an aspiration for about 2 years to get an Azuma into Liverpool Street, but Covid and other issues prevented it.

The 47s were purely a NWR event, as both West and East coast lines were shut for engineering, the trains were purely a way for them to say they kept a route open.


The testing was purely at Liverpool Street, the unit came ecs of Bounds Green, then it became a Finsbury Park to Liverpool Street.
It was checking platform height and distance from train at the station.

Given the route taken, did the Azuma work off the OHLE?

 

[Banham7]

Given the route taken, did the Azuma work off the OHLE?

Used diesel engine power, you're able to hear the engines in

.

 

[Whistler40145]

Used diesel engine power, you're able to hear the engines in

.

I assume the power supply wouldn't be able to accommodate an Azuma on the ex Great Eastern

 

[800001]

Given the route taken, did the Azuma work off the OHLE?

Under Diesel operation.

 

[dk1]

I assume the power supply wouldn't be able to accommodate an Azuma on the ex Great Eastern

More to do with risk assessment etc not being done along with compatibility with signalling. Doubt there’s any issues.