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I’d suggest reserving judgement until it’s on the real thing, rather than just a low resolution render.Yes and I am very annoyed because I am not a fan of the silly green livery
I’d suggest reserving judgement until it’s on the real thing, rather than just a low resolution render.Yes and I am very annoyed because I am not a fan of the silly green livery
There are no planned alterations from the current diagrams. 3 sets out - forming the majority of Scarborough-York shuttles - but one eastbound service in the morning and one westbound in the evening to get the sets rotated through Longsight. Sundays are the same but with a later start (0654 LIV-SCA early morning starts as 0819 MAN-SCA).Does anyone know what’s going on with TP 68’s currently, and in particular this BH Monday please?
Amazing, thanks for the informationThere are no planned alterations from the current diagrams. 3 sets out - forming the majority of Scarborough-York shuttles - but one eastbound service in the morning and one westbound in the evening to get the sets rotated through Longsight. Sundays are the same but with a later start (0654 LIV-SCA early morning starts as 0819 MAN-SCA).
Thanks. Sadly I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single track line speed. My life could be so much easier if I had that kind of memory capability.....I don’t think so as no part of the route has a line speed that high.
I don’t think so as no part of the route has a line speed that high.
Also, are the 67’s still even theoretically capable of 125? I thought they had been downrated? It would take them an age to get to that speed anyway as their acceleration isn’t great.Thanks. Sadly I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single track line speed. My life could be so much easier if I had that kind of memory capability.....
Also, are the 67’s still even theoretically capable of 125? I thought they had been downrated? It would take them an age to get to that speed anyway as their acceleration isn’t great.
ThanksYeah it’s 110.
Well then I've been lied to......Yeah it’s 110.
Well then I've been lied to......
Not really sure why that tone was needed there given you got a perfectly reasonable response to your question.Thanks. Sadly I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single track line speed. My life could be so much easier if I had that kind of memory capability.....
The DVTs on the ATW/TFW rakes were limited to 110, so 125 was never an option.Also, Mark 3 coaches can go at 125, so if they could go at that speed now, then they would have done before.
Also, are the 67’s still even theoretically capable of 125? I thought they had been downrated? It would take them an age to get to that speed anyway as their acceleration isn’t great.
Last I checked (and it has been a little while) all the signage inside and outside the loco was for 125mph. And the acceleration isn't that bad at all, at least not with the shorter rakes the hauled in Wales. Slow at the very start, but once fast enough for full power to be applied they outperformed any DMU in the TfW fleet.Yeah it’s 110.
Thanks. Sadly I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single track line speed. My life could be so much easier if I had that kind of memory capability.....
I was actually trying so hard not to sound like that. Failed miserably of course.You asked the question and I answered it honestly. No need to be quite so smart.
I would point out that it doesn't take one to be Einstein to be able remember that the only 125mph capable conventional rail lines are sections of the following routes:
East Coast mainline
West Coast mainline
Midland mainline
GWR mainline
Birmingham to Derby
In other words the traditional HST / Pendolino routes.
None of these cover the route that the TfW Premier service between Holyhead and Cardiff uses.
A 67 has hauled class 1 services on all of those routes I believe - mostly in the form of charter services, but also as a rescue Thunderbird on the ECML, and diverted Wrexham & Shropshire services on the WCML.I was actually trying so hard not to sound like that. Failed miserably of course.
Also, it's a shame a Class 67 will likely never haul an express train on these routes. To me, there is just something so cool about a high speed loco service compared to multiple units.
The TfW services between Crewe and Manchester are timed at 100mph and it is unlikely the timings would change as a replacement Dmu would not keep timeAs I said above though, there is a possibility we'll see regular 110mph running on a branch of the WCML if the Manchester - Swansea services do come about.
To be fair, the timings today don't require 100mph running anyway. The extra speed comes in handy at times though.The TfW services between Crewe and Manchester are timed at 100mph and it is unlikely the timings would change as a replacement Dmu would not keep time
Peter
The trains could still run faster though, especially if making up time. For years the MML HSTs were timed for 110 but ran at 125, for example.The TfW services between Crewe and Manchester are timed at 100mph and it is unlikely the timings would change as a replacement Dmu would not keep time
Peter
I imagine it's more that you can extend dwells, or add pathing (as a quasi performance allowance), if the booked traction becomes more sprightly.To be fair, the timings today don't require 100mph running anyway. The extra speed comes in handy at times though.
At the moment, I'm pretty confident there would indeed be a difference in performance between a 67 hauling MKIVs running at 110mph and a class 175 limited to 100 mph. However, when the DMUs in question are CAF 197s, there will be much less of a performance gap. With a 6 speed transmission the acceleration of the 197 should leave the 67 standing, with the 67 catching up again at higher speeds. The 197 should also have much better dwell times with its door layout. It may well be the other way around, that the 67s need to run at 110mph to match DMU timings.
The timings at present are pretty much set in stone by the crossing of the WCML in Crewe and the congested approaches to Piccadilly. The greater performance of the new fleet however, be that 197 or 67 may mean that changes can be made.
Indeed, and I doubt anyone would be complaining about having the flexibility to do that. Whilst timekeeping on that route is pretty good, the 20 minute turnaround at Piccadilly isn't that long for a 5 or 6 hour journey.I imagine it's more that you can extend dwells, or add pathing (as a quasi performance allowance), if the booked traction becomes more sprightly.
I doubt a 67 & Mk4s would accelerate faster than modern Dmu - the 67 & Mk3s did not on the NWC Workings Manchester to HolyheadI imagine it's more that you can extend dwells, or add pathing (as a quasi performance allowance), if the booked traction becomes more sprightly.
They did when I was driving them, and that's been suggested by a fellow TfW driver as well.I doubt a 67 & Mk4s would accelerate faster than modern Dmu - the 67 & Mk3s did not on the NWC Workings Manchester to Holyhead
And the 110mph running only exists over the 14 miles between Wilmslow and Sandbach
Peter
There's a LOT of training that needs to take place to make this happen - whilst at the same time Class 197 training also needs to happen, and there's already a backlog from Covid to catch up on. To get a full service from December 2022 will actually be quite an achievement.Only just in next year as the date given is December 2022