TheEastCoaster
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Well there is the full route of the 15 too and reinstating the other night bus routes that have yet to be shown (N14,N35 and N49)
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Well there is the full route of the 15 too and reinstating the other night bus routes that have yet to be shown (N14,N35 and N49)
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ScotRail158725
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doubt those changes that were scheduled in march will actually take place
SpeedbirdA350
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300 also currently hourly and running to Surgeons' Hall
overthewater
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The way the airport and RBS is going I doubt the 300 will see any increase alas.
I'd have thought ADL would have made an announcement of some sort by now with other operators expressing an interest if it were ADL
Aaronb2601
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so I took a little trip down to the longstone depot earlier on and not used that there was a green arrow parked there, don’t they belong to the Livingston or Newbridge depot?
OmniCity999
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The fleet is regularly rotated and the green arrow coaches are running out of Longstone for rail replacements.
cnjb8
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They've been spotted on Edinburgh to Newcastle run. There is a Flickr photo of a GoNorth East Green Arrow alongside the Lothian Green Arrow!
Jordan Adam
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They've also frequently been up to Aberdeen, have tried getting photos but they're always racing through the city centre at quite a considerable speed.
That image is here.
Graham Alexand
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Are Lothian Country's X38 and GreenArrowEX2 100% Withdrawn or is it still just Covid-19 service levels?
Couldn't possibly comment!I'd have thought ADL would have made an announcement of some sort by now with other operators expressing an interest if it were ADL
Unless they Magically Completely Vanished?The answers are all right here in this thread anyway
Jordan Adam
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If anyone says a definite answer WW3 will likely break out, however it seems "likely" that they won't come back...
Unless they Magically Completely Vanished?
This reminds me of that t-shirt you can buy with the quote;
"There are two kinds of people:
1) Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data"
OmniCity999
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We're still in a global pandemic. As such, services are reduced.
Aaronb2601
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When and will the B5TL’s registered SJ66 return to service 22? And will the ex London B9TL’s be used on the 14 again?
OmniCity999
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They might not - any bus can run on any route.
Aaronb2601
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Ah okay. I can’t help but notice in the past that sometimes certain buses would dominate certain routes, for example before lockdown the 21 was mostly B7TL’s with the odd B9TL, and the 22 a lot of the time was the B5TL’s.
OmniCity999
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It was very much the case, but not for the time being
Aaronb2601
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Why are these vehicles selected for they routes? Is there reason behind it or is it just random.
OmniCity999
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In terms of Hybrid buses, a batch would tend to be based on a particular route, tend to but not always! This would allow their full economic capabilities to be utilised and understood
A couple routes need to be single deckers so this cant be helped. The 30 and 38 come to mind. Others, in normal times are single decker due to customer numbers. The new B8's were ordered for the 30, but will operate on other routes often.
Generally the main reason behind a batch of vehicles being allocated to a route is as said, they are bought in batches and as such a batch can be bought to suit the PVR (peak vehicle requirement) of a route. For example; 30 B5TL's were bought for the 26 - the 26 requires 30 buses, in the peak.
As part of wider orders, where large batches of vehicles are ordered, a couple of routes will be selected.
Over time, when more new buses are bought, others are cascaded through the fleet, meaning they end up on other routes. Generally, but not always, batches are kept together.\
But even in normal times, buses bought for routes aren't generally restricted to those routes and often work on others regularly, even the 26 batch wanders.
Hope this goes some way to help you understand?
overthewater
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The Green arrows are deffo gone, There is no way the Traffic commissioner is going to allow Lothian to bring back the EX2 when they feel like it, since the coaches have been off making money on rail replacements. Ex2 if running would be getting a help to cover its costs.
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Aaronb2601
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Thank you for clarifying that, it’s something that puzzled me before.
TheEastCoaster
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I see the X38 making more of a comeback than the Ex2, but whenever is the question, if they could they would of by now, much like the 275 with the Gyle or the X17 or (”276”) to Edinburgh
OmniCity999
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Idle waffle
Lothian Country operated the X38 & EX2 commercially. During March it was removed from service due to expected low passenger numbers. The service has since been cancelled. Its an all day express service - there would be no great demand for it at this time. im not saying none, im saying there wouldn't be constant demand. On top of that, the route wouldn't get funding as its not a necessary route. The town of Linlithgow has a frequent train service and a frequent bus service from First. As mentioned before, the EX2 is an express route, missing out large areas - its less likely to get funded due to this.
Numbers will have been gauged on the Linlithgow Corridor since then and at this time it has been judged that it wouldn't be viable to continue their operation and the competition with First. So the service was paused. Later cancelled due to rules
Whilst i agree the coaches will likely be making more money on the rail replacement work, this being another contributing factor to the EX2 not being back. It's not the entire reason. There are other vehicles available to operate this route after all. The hoards of single deckers in the fleet etc. If they really wanted to run the route, there are plenty buses in the Lothian Country fleet and wider, there are plenty buses in reserve.
I'm not saying they'll definitely be back. But the Traffic Commissioner isnt going to outright say no. As previously stated, at this point the service has been terminated, its no longer on hold. it's been cancelled due to Traffic commissioner rules regarding services on 'Pause'.
They may be back in the future when numbers pick up.
Bottom line, the demand currently isnt there at this point in the Pandemic and First doing there bit, not to mention the train service. This is the reason the EX2 isnt currently back.
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overthewater
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You back up what im saying that is definitely gone then. Good to see you agree,
However if the Ex2 was still running it would get the funding, there is other routes which are express route and also compete with trains. Yet Ex2 cant?
However if the Ex2 was still running it would get the funding, there is other routes which are express route and also compete with trains. Yet Ex2 cant?
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Baileygirl
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Would Lothian not have to officially cancel the routes (X38 EX2)? Blue Bus has done this with the 71 Fauldhouse - Livingston which was cancelled from 5th October although had not been run since March.
OmniCity999
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You clearly didnt read my post.
I believe they have been cancelled.